Thanks to Freckles who runs the Lostchile Blog, we now have an even better copy of the Orchid Video. Thank you Freckles.
Thanks to Sawyer840 for these excellent screencaps.
Thanks to BG for the transcript.
Please chime in with additions or corrections.
voices murmuring in the background as young woman applies makup to
Candle.
Candle: Sighs I'll never get used to wearing makeup.
Voice: You look great. It takes away the shine.
Candle: Who cares if I shine? I'm a scientist. I'm not a---
Voice: Turn the rabbit around, please.
Candle turns the rabbit around, revealing #15. He has no prosthetic
arm!
Voice: Got it.
Candle: Hello, I'm Dr. Edgar Hallowax and this is the orientation film
for Station 6 of the Dharma Initiative. As you no doubt -
[Inserted frame of the Hanso Building]
-surmised, Station 6, or the Orchid, is not a botanical research--- We
apologize for asking you to deceive your family and colleagues. This is
of course in the interest of their own security. The unique properties
of this island (aided?/ created?) a kind of Casimir Effect allowing us
to---
[Inserted frame of 'God loves you as he love Jacob"]
The field you have been selected to study is highly volatile and
potentially dangerous. But over the next few minutes we'll demonstrate
the elaborate safety measures that have been put in place to ensure
that---
[Something falls from the ceiling. It might be a rabbit.]
Candle: ---The Hell!
Voice: Hey, what is that? What's going on?!
Camera wobbles and pans to shelf showing a rabbit # 15 or 16?]
Young woman: Oh god! It's 15 (or 16?)
Candle: ---The hell!
Candle: Don't let them near each other! When did you set the shift?
Young woman: Negative 20.
Candle: How long?
Young woman: Nine minutes, but we're still learning---
Candle: Into camera Why is this still running?
Voice: You told me to keep the camera running no matter what.
Candle: Turn it off!
[Inserted upside down frame of bicycle on what appears to be the
Otherville Common.]
Candle: Hello, I'm Dr. Edgar Hallowax and this is the Orientation Film
for Station 6 of the Dharma Initiative. As you've no doubt surmised,
Station 6, or the Orchid, is not a botanical research unit...
I've re-processed the video to hopefully make the actual Dharma video a little clear. I hope you enjoy the new version.
Thanks to Abducted Vision for the video.
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LOL that was a little funny.
And that beeping was from the Swan. Why would it be at the Orchid? Makes me wonder if this is actually a station or if this video was just for entertainment purposes at Comic Con.
There's the:
The Swan
The Arrow
The Pearl
The Hydra
The Staff
The Flame
Where would The Orchid fit into all this? Unless one of those such as the Arrow weren't a real hatch (like the Looking Glass).
Awesome -- you are my hero, Dark! It sounds like "Halliwax" and he definitely says "Casimir effect."
Ahhh, this is probably the concrete-sealed area that was in the swan?
PS: HE HAS BOTH ARMS!
I thought a long time ago, the producers (or some writer) said that the arrow was not a station and that it was mostly used for storage. I don't know when people began thinking it was a station. If it was, it was the most boring (and useless).
Overall, the video is fun, but I wonder if it can be considered as canon. The Casimir effect reference is interesting, though.
Finally! What took this soooo long to get on the net!?!? joking...joking..
Can't wait to start guessing...Well, I've alreayd started, but I can't wait to see what else everyone thinks!
Kristin writes that there was a gorilla riding a bicycle in a blip on the vid... Joop?
I think it is mearly for entertainment after seeing it. They say F*** in it. It is obviously not going to be in an episode and it really seemed like a joke to me.
Hey Lostmommy, this should give a boost to time travel speculations like ours!
LOL! What a hilarious video.
From the description, I thought it would be a serious one.
But I think The Orchid could really exist.
Was the video really part of LOST or made for comic-con? If I recall last years was a joke, though it quite obvious.
Made for Comic-Con. We will never see that on LOST :P
Big Mouth...Yes, I look forward to refining what we already "know" in light of this info...
After watching this about 40 times and pausing, the three images that jump in are 1) looks liek the school/ lab setting with Gerald DeGroot 2) same screen as in Karl's video "God loves you as he loved Jacob" and the third looks like a person riding a bike in Otherville. What does it mean? I dunno...
But I would say that we'll most likely see a "finished" version of this orientation video, not the rough cut shown here. Can't wait!
personally I think it was just made for Comic Con. there may actually be another station, but the comical nature of this video, along with his swearing, lead me to believe it's just for fun
I think we will see this orientation film in an episode. If you think about it all the "comical" things would probably be edited out of the final Orchid orientation film because they happen when the screen starts shaking and while applying make-up before the he introduces himself. Even though he cusses, he does so when the room starts to shake and DHARMA would definitely not want the people watching the film to see something going wrong so it would be edited out and cuss word free so it could be aired on ABC.
After watching that video a third time, I am almost positive that it is just for fun.
But Andrew's idea of the sealed-off area in the Swan would be awesome for a future film on the show. I'm still dying to know what the heck was in there. A big electromagnetic ball?
The bike thing could be a Wizard of Oz movie shout out as well.
If this is merely a joke, frankly it's not sitting well with me. We've had no content since May and we've been given no release date of content earlier than Dec. 11 and there's talk of a move to Fri. nights. This is the kind of move that could severely backfire. The first 6 episodes of S3 were patronizingly dumbed down to try to appeal to the Grey's Anatomy audience and that didn't work. A similar patronizing joke Orientation film won't be taken well, at least by this obsessive.
The bike clip is from the "welcome to the island" video from The Man Behind The Curtain. It was flipped vertically.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/daveparm/LOST/new_dharma_bicycle_frame.jpg
-dp-
I liked the Star Trek Reference my self. "Who cares if I am shiny, I am a scientist....." Then it cuts, he did it just like, "Damn it Jim, I not an engineer, I'm a Doctor."
This was posted in the LostLive part of the aurw, for the CC threads, but since this is the front page, it bears repeating. The good Doc mentions the Casimir effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
The relevant bit for us LOST obsessives:
The Casimir effect or Casimir-Polder force is a physical force exerted between separate objects, which is due to neither charge, gravity, nor the exchange of particles, but instead is due to resonance of all-pervasive energy fields in the intervening space between the objects.
Hmmmm....sounds like something that might be relevant, right? :-) What happens in the film is that bunny #15 suddenly appears on the top shelf after it starts going haywire in the area the Doc is in. Could Jacob simply be a person trapped in the space between the objects that the Casimir effect describes and which are present in Ben's "Magic Box" and that's why he cried out for help to John? For you time travel theorists, the Wikipedia article has this:
Exotic matter with negative energy density is required to stabilize a wormhole[1]. Morris, Thorne and Yurtsever[2] pointed out that the quantum mechanics of the Casimir effect can be used to produce a locally mass-negative region of space-time, and suggested that negative effect could be used to stabilize a wormhole to allow faster than light travel
I don't care WHY this film was shown at ComicCon, all I care about is the nuggets of info it containes, like the Casimir effect. As a total Man of Science, I wouldn't be as big a fan of this show if the more out there parts didn't have a least a basic grounding in the scientifically possible --I'm not a sci-fi person in the slightest-- and the mention of the Casimir Effect is right in line with that.
From the description this sounded like a serious video. After further inspection, it looks like it was strictly for entertainment. Good fun.
this has been posted on the abc website. the f word was replaced with hell.
any idea about the whispers in the beginning i hear the word murder.
So this updated version has him say "hell" instead of the f word... Interesting. This version COULD show up on the actual show in that case.
moviemaniac226, I'm with you. I'm thinking it's not real. There are 6 stations and even with the Looking Glass we have 7 (unless, like you said, the Arrow isn't a real station ... it was deserted and didn't look like much more than a storage area). And the fact that he uses the F word makes me think this is possibly a hoax and not going to be in the show. But who knows. There might be more than 6 despite what the map and other films have said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihh0e-SqNtE
In that clip from the 2006 comic con (at about 1:28), Damon says you will never hear the word clone on Lost.
It seems like that rabbit may have been cloned (not born like Dolly the sheep, but actually a fully grown duplicate).
However, didn't didn't Damon also say at one point that there would never be any time travel on Lost? So I think they've gone back on their word before... I'm not sure if this means The Orchid is not canon.
The Arrow was used for mathematic research (just think of Horace in TMBTC). I know there was a statement that there are only 6 stations, but now we finally got 7, so why couldn't there be anymore? Maybe there are 6 official stations and several unofficial and hidden stations for other purposes (like the Looking Glass). The Video is interesting and it would be great to see the Orchid in Season 4
i'm thinking that this isn't a hoax, this video will never turn up on the show but the final version of the orientation tape could.
also, i'm not sure whether the hydra should be included in the list of 6 stations, with it being on another island maybe it is being treated as seperate?
just throwing it out there
Everybody's talking about Edward Hourwax...but im pretty sure he says:
EDGAR HALLIWAX...
the fact that it's the same actor who was in the other films leads me to believe that this has some connection with season 4.
Thanks Dark & Freckles for the video.
The Arrow hatch, as far as I know its just a storage hatch. The Hydra is NOT on the Blast Door Map I don't think 'cos its on a seperate island but there a quite a few other stations we haven't seen yet.
I like the idea of an Orientation film talking about the concrete wall in the Swan hatch & what's behind it. It would have been cool if Sayid, Jack or even Eko actually found out what's behind it. But if there there are really underground passageways, then I am sure Sayid will find the answer to this before Lost finishes.
The video itself was funny, I think its just a joke from Comic Con.
The Whispers at the beginning were interesting, I liked the bit when Candle said his name was EDGAR HALLIWAX... I just burst out in laughter when I heard that.
One last thing if it Candle was in Station 6, why was he wearing a coat with the SWAN logo on it?
this is a different video than before... there is much less chaos this time, no swearing either. And maybe I just couldn't hear well originally, but it was not clear to me before that "Edgar" was afraid because another rabbit #15 appeared fropm the "-20 shift" which was set 9 minutes ago. If this is a clue about the show... and, honestly, why wouldn't it be?... there's your 108-minute time shift clue with all the subtletly of an elephant stomping on your groin.
By the way, how fun is the Internet Anagram Server? What a great hangover activity. If you spell it "Edgar Hallowacks" - and I don't think this is a clue, but just stupid fun - you can rearrange it to say "Real God Law Shack".
Maybe Jacob is God, setting real laws from his shack? haha.
I think you all may be on to something. Although I'm sure this was made for ComicCon fun, there could be clues for S4:
Casimir Effect (which I don't pretend to be able to wrap my mind around, but I think that relates to time travel and why you shouldn't meet yourself in your own past)
Identical bunny 15 appearing, and Dr. Halliwax being so concerned about how close they get to each other. And that it was due to something they did (the -20 shift).
Stuff for the blogs to analyze. Thanks Darlton!
It has to be for a reason, this would be the version they could air, the original he's clearly saying the "F" word, why would this cleaner version complete with whispers at the beginning exist then?
Dark, could you maybe put the other version back up?
I can't rightly remember if the creators ever said time travel definetly wasn't involved or not. Though seeing the same bunny in the room with itself and the mention of the Casimir effect does seem to suggest some kind of travel, be it time or dimension. You of course wouldn't want to effect time in such a way that you'd affect your own past. Or maybe the old matter, anti-matter ploy.
Those bunnies got me to thinking... like there were two ones ... i'm thinking along the lines of doppelgangers and "Bad Twin" ... maybe thats why they wouldn't let them touch .. oww creepy!
the sound version of this is up at abc.com
Long time lurker, first time poster (here)...
Reason for more than 6 Stations "could be" that Looking Glass was recently added. Remember the Blue Prints called it "A Hatch". Only our Losties called them that. Locke time travel=Jacob and new hatch to jam signals of Losties in present time? Didn't see Charlie swiming down 'cause first time, Charlie couldn't swim well... Just my $.02
Also, ending before retake is the countdown from the Swan (didn't see reference to this above...)
The "God Loves You and So Does Jesus" slide right in the middle made it a waste of time for me.
um, it says "God Loves You as He loved Jacob" - it's the same slide as the brainwashing video that Carl was watching when he was captured. It's kind of an integral part of the film. Not sure why that's a waste of time for you...
The Luxes - you obviously arent much of a lost head or you sould know that God Loves You as He Did Jacob, not jesus. And others - at what point does it say fuck? I didn't hear it. Maybe i am desenstised. hehe
He used the F word in the version of the video showed at comic con.
This edited version is now on the ABC.com website, which explains why they needed to clean it up. So I guess this doesn't mean they necessarily made a version suitable for TV, just suitable for the ABC website.
"god loves you as he loves jacob"?
in refernence to the bunny debacle -
as has been pointed out (correctly to my knowledge) that neither time travel nor cloning will make its way into the story line. however, if the casimir effect (and the video at large) aren't red herrings, which wouldnt surprise me in the least. though the casimir effect deals more with attraction independent of normal forces they could use it to drag quatum mechanics into the fray.
if it is quantum mechanics they could hang up their hats and say "quantum uncertainty is the cause for everything," or something to that effect.
im sure that the "dont let them near each other" was a clear refrence, by the writers, to either a paradox of time travel (which theyve ruled out), an issue regarding exotic matter (more of a strech), or dealing with the attraction that can result from the casimir effect (big leap). however, what the writers imply and what the good doctor meant aren't necessarily the same thing.
case and point - as of now we have no reason to believe that the numbers are unique to each rabbit, but humans will instictively try to complete sets (its a psychological effect) and are likely to assume that.
it is strange that they would mention such an obscure principle that really doesnt have much of a tie in to the show's plot lines, especially given the timing, but im sure thats the point.
So if the bunny was 'cloned'... couldn't all the lost survivors have been 'cloned' too ? That would explain why they found the plane with their dead bodies in it.
i forgot to mention. when wormholes come up you cant always make the assumption that they are related to time travel. a wormhole (depending on the model of the universe employed) can also theoretically (once again: strange unproven physics, but possible in certain models) bridge universes thus sidestepping time travel or cloning.
if they start playing multiverses or alternate histories im not sure if i will be all too pleased.
No, the Casimir Effect has nothing to do with cloning. That's not another #15 bunny...that is the same #15 bunny (IMHO) from, I'd imagine, earlier in the day (before the shoot). You can't let them near each other in the same sense that you really shouldn't pop back in time and interact with yourself. Does all manner of unpleasant things to spacetime. And if the Casimir Effect is not being used to manipulate time, then it could be a unique wormhole project (which, mind you, if it's tweaked right can change it from a spacelike bridge to a timelike bridge!). Anyway, I'm rambling...I like the video and really hope it gets factored into the show next season!
Does the rabbit, perchance, have...
.. FOUR TOES????
"Edgar Hallowacks" - This could also translate to something like " Shallow Dark Cage"... any thoughts?
Anyone seen Primer? This casimir effect is something like on Primer. It was an interesting idea.
MATTER & ANTI-MATTER
thats why shit falls from the sky and thats why if they touch it makes for a bad time. its the same rabbit, and they're not supposed to exist in the same spot at the same time.
What was that large building?
http://picasaweb.google.com/shawntrash/Lost/photo#5092329782140415682
like someone said you can hear a countdown in the background when the bunny appears, this clearly shows that them being near each other may cause something, maybe this or something similar is what caused the incident that is referenced to in the video (S2E2) so the button had to be pressed every 108 mins.
Another idea is that the incident happend to Jacob, Jacob being a guinea-pig that Dharma tested on and from that caused whatever to him that allows him to be there when he's not and so on.
Also justed noticed this,
'God loves you as he loved Jacob'
as he loved jacob refers to something that he did do in the past.
maybe he doesn't love jacob now or he isn't around to love him anymore?
The most significant point of the video has been overlooked! The most important question hasn't been asked!
Why would a "God loves you as he loved Jacob" message be embedded in a DHARMA film? Until now, Jacob has had no connection with DHARMA. He is clearly the leader of the Others. Thus, this video suggests a connection between DHARMA and the Others.
The fact that Jacob becomes the leader of the Others, who rebelled from DHARMA, might explain the past tense of the message. "God loved Jacob" when he was a member of DHARMA. Now that Jacob left DHARMA, and belongs to the Others, God no longer loves him. According to this interpretation, the meaning of the message is simply: "God loves you as he loved Jacob" ... "but don't rebel against DHARMA or God will no longer love you, as God no longer loves Jacob."
The question that must be asked is this: Into which group - DHARMA or the Others - is the subliminal message intended to indoctrinate?
The Others were showing a film with the same subliminal message (in past tense) to Carl. Why would the Others use the same ideological message, originally used to indoctrinate members of DHARMA, to indoctrinate fellow Others? If the Others want to encourage obedience to their leader, Jacob, shouldn't their message read "God loves you as he LOVES (CONTINUES TO LOVE) Jacob"? Instead, "God loves you as he loved Jacob" implies that God no longer loves Jacob. Why would the Others want their members to think that their leader is no longer loved by God?
What's with the bunnies?
I can remember two with numbers on them (8, the one used by Ben to con Sawyer, with the heart implant thing) and this one, 15 (two of the magic numbers...Will there be 4, 16, 23, 42 rabbits?).
Then there was Alex, grossly dissecting one at the camp, before she went out with ben to intercept the Losties at the tower. I think Carl asked to bring some for eating as well...any more references? I can't remember but I'm curious as to their significance.
This version is much more likely to be part of the show. OR, anyone think this could be the start of a new game to keep us busy until Feb?
well ill tell you whats probably actually up with the bunnies... rabbits are often used for fertility studies... because, well they hump like rabbits.
mystery half solved.
The name is probably not Hallowacks, but rather Hallowax or Halliwax. As in *Candle*, *Wick*man, Halli*wax*. ;)
Watching the video again knowing that the Casimir effect is something that could allow for time travel, it's pretty clear the second Rabbit #15 that shows up has time shifted.
"When did you set the shift?"
"Negative 20."
"How long?"
"9 minutes."
@Miguel - I think the main significance of the rabbits on the island is that they are left over from DHARMA experiments, like the polar bears and the shark.
In reaction to Mark, my theory:
The 'God Loves you as he Loved Jacob' message during the Orchid orientation film is a part of a mindinfluence strategy...
It just blinks before you while you're watching the instruction video. If you were a Dharma employee working on the Orchid, you are paying attention to the words of Edgar Halliwax...then the short frame showing 'God Loves you...' comes up.
You won't remember where you saw it..but it keeps coming back at you in all kinds of ways..that way you are influenced by the sentence..the employees will be brainwashed with the sentence.
Sometimes subtle, as in this orientation film and sometimes less subtle, as with Karl.
Just my thoughts..
Gr. Erik
Did anyone notice that Dr. Candle's left hand and arm are not a prosthetic as has been speculated?
Either this was filmed before he lost his arm, or he never lost his arm and speculations were wrong, or something really really wacky is going on. Alternate Candles? Alternate universes?
I know its been mentioned, but has anyone else analyzed the audio from the beginning of the video yet? Something is there, but i don't have the proper software, or know how to extract clearly what is being said. With the best of my ability's i was able to hear what seemed like at least 2 voices, a male followed by a female then strange laughter, then a male again. I swear i heard the female (lighter voice) say possibly "January" and "Jesus Christ", but the male voice seems to be in the background of the video itself, So if there are whispers they would be the female (lighter voice) i heard mixed in there. I dunno, but it's fun put on the old Lost thinking cap on again, it was getting dusty.
hey blake, that "*Candle*, *Wick*man, Halli*wax*" thing really is a good catch, pretty darned funny it slipped by me, and everyone else so easily.
It was made for LOST fans...so it dropped hints, and was humorous!
ya never know, that f***-edited out might be on the DVD. that would be cool for all us fans =)
I believe it DOES tie into the show, but not so much so that if you miss it, you lose something...still it was REALLY neat, and who ever thought a bunny could scare the Eff out of people?!
wow
I think the presence of voices that are similar to the jungle whispers in the beginning of the tape is the most interesting thing. They seem to be only behind the scenes voices...grips or other people setting up the shot. So does that mean that the jungle whispers are indeed only observers...those behind the scenes observing or setting up the scene before "recording".
Okay, first a response to Mark: remember, this film was "reportedly" recovered somewhere in Norway. My bet is that the "Jacob" frame was not originally in there and was spliced in post-DHARMA.
Secondly, the candlewickwax point: verrry naice! That's a good catch and perhaps Dr. Marvin Candle is the one who'll bring the light for all of us?
Lastly, more on Casimir Effect: Working at a bookstore, I was able to do some research last night. Theorhetically, the CE can be used to create what's called zero point energy by harnessing the power created by the attraction or repulsion of two objects (typically metal plates, but bunnies are far more interesting!). My bet is that somehow the bunnies are being used in an experiment to create ZPE! That's why they can't be near each other...perhaps the two #15s aren't the same bunny, but are from the same batch experiment!
anyone else think that that dude in front of degroot has black smoke for a head?look you cant see his neck at all
@othersville
zero-point energy is a two buck word for evergy reamaining in a system in a ground state. all it means is the lowest possible energy a system can have.
Something definitely drops down the middle of the screen right before the second rabbit appears. Is it the rabbit? Doesn't seem like it since it ends up on the shelf.
I was checking out lostpedia the other day and I came upon this article about the Mittelos Bioscience site. It claimed that it's a fanmade website and is fake but I found something interesting that relates to this new Dharma-video. http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Mittelosbioscience.org
If you click at on the 2nd picture, with the map of the 3 islands you can clearly see it stating that on the observation island (where Kate, Jack and Sawyer were taken) they are doing Casimir Studies which the Dharmaguy was talking about. Now I wonder how could a fan have known this???
Is it just me, or does the screen shot from 39 seconds with the professor looking guy look like Leonard Simms with hair and beard.
did anyone else notice the black bottle over the right shoulder of the scientist is full in the beginning. but about halfway through the video, it is empty. i have no idea if that means anything...
@bramme
good find. they file is from 8 feb 2007 so its not as if it was recently updated. interesting...
the thing falling from the top left of the screen is a large incandescent light bulb, that disappears totally again right before it would have impacted the table.
I think a lot of people are looking at this too "micro". What if you look at this from a "macro" perspective.
An orchid, the plant kind, is an epiphyte. Its a plant that grows on some other living thing. Extending the naming metaphor further, what if the Orchid station is "attached" or arrived at via the Swan station. Like someone above mentioned what if the Orchid station is the concrete filled mystery?
What if this video, and the ominous countdown at the end is THE accident referenced on the Swan orientation film. After the accident the Swan may have switched purpose and become a station to manage/monitor the aftermath of the Orchid accident? We may not know the original purpose of the Swan or have seen the original Swan orientation film.
Either way I'm happy to be thinking about LOST again.
Dr. CandleWickWax has one HOT lab assistant.
What is the thing that falls down from above on - Candle's, Wickmans, Hallowax's right? It's at about 1min23sec? Looks like a white something? - very strange...
the black bottle reminds me of the black liquid jacob had on his window ledge..
Yeah but The Staff seems not to have done any actul research but instead it was just used for medicinal purposes as does The Flame which seems to be just for communcation so that means we have:
- The Hydra- Zoology
- The Swan- Electromagnetism
- The Pearl- I would say Psychology
and The Looking Glass and The Arrow which do not seem to be research based either so I think that The Orchid could be for research but what sort of research? Parapsychology- I don't think so! Meteorology- probably not! Utopian Socialism- it doesn't seem like it!
However, if you look in "The Ma Behind the Curtain", Horace works in a Mathematics department and Casey, a greeter, works in the Gemology department so perhaps these were cut funding or something which is maybe something which could have happened with research at The Orchid....?
have you also noticed how all his names relate to candles?
Marvin CANDLE
Mark WICKman
Edgar HaloWAX
Sorry, I just noticed that myself
hey *starshine* read up 3 posts before your question, it was asked before you only a few more posts before that.
@ KCross: Yeah, well, that's what I get for reading the blurb about the book in the booksearch system and trying to connect it with what I remember from Stephen Baxter & Arthur Clarke's "The Light of Other Days".
@ JDR: I like the cut of your jib, man! Here's hoping that's how things play out in the show.
JDR i love your idea as well! I'm about to look up about whether there is any connection between Apollo, the greek god, and an orchid as all over stations tend to have a connection so that could maybe have some relevance
JDR i love your idea as well! I'm about to look up about whether there is any connection between Apollo, the greek god, and an orchid as all over stations tend to have a connection so that could maybe have some relevance
That thing that fell was just a plastic bottle or test tube. It was just a device to cause 'Hallowax' to turn around and see the rabbit on the shelf. Otherwise he would have never known it appeared there and the camera wouldn't have seen it.
You know, if you chop out the WAX, CANDLE and WICK, you are left with:
- Marvin
- Edgar Halo (or Hallo)
- Mark Man
Which gives us Marvinedgarhalomarkman and you can make some fun anagrams out of that (because there are so many letters... I don't think there's anything real to this, but a fun way to pass the time... at work):
- Mankind
- Grave
- Alarm
- Arm
- Alvar
...I haven't put anything together yet. I know - this is really stupid - but anagrams always intrigue me and I can't think of another reason off the bat why those three pieces of the names are so similarly themed. Maybe we're supposed to do something with (or without) them...
~ Isn't this the first of the Mobisodes that are Cannon and reveal something of the mythology of Lost. much like the Lost Experience game did?
~ This film was clearly tampered with. (missing sections, random flashes of other images).
~ If both of the last points are true than it's the start of several clues and might make more since when we get more mobisodes. because the film has a tampered with feel some one is showing us only what they want us to see and filling in holes with other clues. (or just random images).
The casimir effect simply is a way to create pure plasma energy. The easiest experiment is taking an erlenmeyer flask. If you put water in the bulbous part and air on the ends, when you apply field on the sides of it, you can reach an intensity where the energy transfers and you can create a plasma that eject at the poles, or through the end where the water is. This seems exactly like the hatch, when the magnetic field reaches a point and creates a plasma energy inside.
http://picasaweb.google.com/shawntrash/Lost
Building picture / Falling light picture / Jacob msg
VIEW PIX HERE
What I find strange is the conflicted nature of this video. On the one hand, we are led to believe it is "raw" footage from a film shoot (hence the makeup outtake and the 2nd take at the end).
On the other, it has the aforementioned "tampered" feel which leads one to believe that some degree of editing has taken place.
Strange.
Who is the bearded man at :39???
What if instead of it being edited... it was a reused tape dubbed over for the training video? That would explain old footage.
Wow, i didn't even notice the bearded man... - updated with that pix.
http://picasaweb.google.com/shawntrash/Lost
To Dualaudi - Thanks for adding the Pic
It almost looks like one of the writes I don't know htem apart to tell which on Lind Or Cuse. But I just happened to see it and thought it was wierd!
kyle8-
The bearded man is Gerald DeGroot, founder of the Dharma Initiative. It is funny you think DeGroot looks like Darlton, neither of them has a beard.
The bearded man is Gerald DeGroot, founder of the DHARMA Initiative, who is also seen in the other orientation videos.
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Gerald_DeGroot
I agree with dualaudi - I think of the spliced up/edited nature of the film as though they dubbed over some old footage of the early days of DHARMA.
I meant to put this in My last post
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z52/kmaschhoff/Damon_Lindelof_Degroot.jpg
It might not be him, but I think it looks simialar and is actually pretty funny
No one has mentioned the Casmir Effect related to Nanotechnology ...
I KNOW I KNOW ... TPTB stated no nanotechnology but it was such a red herring here.
http://www.nano.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=970
The dubbed tape theory is cool. The only place it falls apart for me is where the training video is cut at certain parts, and the God Loves you as He loved Jacob part (I can't see a place for that in a dharma tape). If Jacob was known by the Dharma than he was most likely a secret. I don't think they were doing an Old Testament Bible study on the film so I'm sure that the clip has something to do with the character.
Okay, so it's still a HUGE mystery as to why we have random clips within the film.
"not related to this film"
But,
One thing i haven't found out is, why do all the lostee's have names given to them by the OTHERS? did i miss this somewhere?
You don't dub film, you dub tape. This is obviously supposed to be film, as evidenced by the misalignment at the end.
Film is spliced, thus any flash frame would have to be deliberate on some level.
The bearded man is Jacob
coachj: the bearded man is Gerald DeGroot (take a look at the screenshots)
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z52/kmaschhoff/Damon_Lindelof_Degroot.jpg
LOL, now that is just bizarre!
Personally, I think that this will eventually tie to the reason that Richard Alpert has never aged. Whatever was done to the bunny, was done to him as well...
did anyone think that second bunny looked a lot like Ben?
" freckles said...
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z52/kmaschhoff/Damon_Lindelof_Degroot.jpg
LOL, now that is just bizarre!"
Just Bizarre enough to be possible and I think you can really see it thanks to the outstanding beard work!
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Michael_Gilday
also, is the whisper team going to take a swing at this video?
Hopefully soon. It's been brought up in the whispers thread at the Fuselage.
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=55358
anyone notice how the bottle changed in the background i made a comparison tell me what you think...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10865267@N06/978345921/
This is probably nothing but i guess i'll mention it. The voice that says "you look great, takes away the shine" sounds alot like Julian McMahon (Christian Troy on Nip/Tuck) could he have possibly been casted?
Also, i think this is canon, by that i mean that obviously the perfect version of the orientation film will bve shown on the show but this part was just for jokes/to intrigue us. you can tell that a more perfect version will be shown because of the end when everything is, well, perfect. love LOST.
2costa:
It's not so much that the bottle changed, but that the shelves were rearranged.
If you look 31 seconds in, you see that the right shelf has the large dark bottle and a bunch of smaller white ones. The corresponding left shelf has some square thing with vertical lines (books, maybe?) and a smaller object (looks sorta like ashtray size and shape) to the right.
The shelf below that has a bunch of miscellaneous stuff, and a dark object that looks like a microscope.
Fast forward to just after the "God loves you" frame, but before the mysterious falling light bulb looking thing and the bunny appearance, and the shelves are all completely different.
The "ashtray" shelf now has a red toolbox(?) on it, the microscope has been moved to where the big dark bottle was and a small white bottle is in its place.
The dialog also shifts at this point from "allowing us to..." [rapid cut, Jacob frame] to "The field you have elected to study..."
I think it indicates that the film was made in multiple takes over the course of the day (or days). The normal lab work over that time (while they weren't actually filming) caused the equipment to be used and put back slightly differently.
ken i agree that that looks like a microscope, but if you look at the comparison i made above its the black bottle, the shape is almost identical. I almost think the red toolbox may be a liquid in a wid cylander beaker..
Did anyone notice that the two rabbits have different numbers on them ? One clearly has the number 15 on it, whereas the other one has the same digits, but put on upside down. If you rotate the image to get the numbers the right way up, it makes the number 51, not 15. Stragely, Hallowax can be seen holding both rabbits at one time or another
Just something to think about. A rabbits life expectancy ranges up to at least 15 yuears. So, was the rabbit that adult Ben carried in his bag the same rabbit he used to test the barrier when he was a kid? BOTH rabbits had the number 8 on their backs. So, did Ben and or Richard somehow shift time deminsions or somethign and this explains why Richard hasn't aged? I'm just shooting sporatic thought out here. But it seems an unlikely coincedence that they would be dealing with these marked rabbits after we've already seen the marked one that Ben has carried around with him supposedly since he was a child. But then, Alex is 16 years old and that would pretty much encompass the life of a rabbit right there, so ...
I'm pretty sure, that the whispering is in russian. Here, where I live is a lot of russian people and i've heard them talking.. and that really sounds like russian.. But i'm not that good in russian to understand, what it is saying, but yeah... maybe there is some kind s canon in russian.. I remind that not only a one of the others speaks russian but many.. so????
i'm deadly sure, that there was a different video on this tape before dharma crew overfilmed it. i mean, we all saw the gorilla on bike ; "the god loves you as he loved Jacob" ; the large building ; etc.
so, it's not sure that jacob have anything with dharma but he may have.
and i like this theory, that there are only magical numbers on rabbits! because, yeah, we have seen rabbits with numbers and all of them (well, yet there have been only two one) have had one of the magical numbers , but i don't know, where would it bring us, it's not a canon.. or maybe it is.. who knows, we have only to wait to find out the truth...
J♥E♥K,
There have been two bunnies were two numbers so far. Ben's bunny had an "8" on it and the in the orientation film was "15"...
I wonder if this could possibly have something to do with Desmond's abilities.
The rabbit was from an alternate universe, which is why the scientist freaked about having the rabbits close together. So many things in Lost point to an alternat universe theory. The Penelope (sp?) at the end of season one had a ship looking for Desmond yet the Penny in season 3 didn't know anything about a ship. The fact that Naomi thought all the survivors were dead because they found the weckage. The flash-forward at the end of season 3 where Jack spoke as if his father were still alive. The "magic numbers" server as an address for a universe but I don't know which one. Why put numbers on something if not to designate it in some way. The incident that the orienation films probably refer to the openning of a worm hole that brought the original others to the Island and that's why they have the computer. Instead of having a the wormhole open all the time they use the computer to do something to keep it closed every 108 minutes. When Desmond didn't enter the magic numbers, it left the wormhole open for the plane to enter and crash on the island. And when losties didn't enter the code, the womehole was left open again which is how Naomi got to the island. Of course that leads to the question of how the wormhole got closed after the plane crashed? I can't recall for sure but did desmond enter the numbers after the count was over? Perhaps the wormhole was open long enough for the plane to enter the island's realm. And the business with the key? Maybe the failsafe keeps the wormhole open permanantly.