It looks like Elizabeth Mitchell has been snubbed for an Emmy Nomination. Personally the fact that 4 Grey's actors have nominated finally shows to me how really worthless the Emmy's are becoming...What are your thoughts on these?
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Pretty lame. She is awesome!
How did you get this info? I thought the announcement wasn't until Thursday.
This really is a shame....Lost is so underrated.
How did you get this info? I thought the announcement wasn't until Thursday
I was sent it by one of my sources so I'm still trying to determine if this is the final list but my source has never been wrong before.
I put a little ? after the title just in case ;)
Rabble rabble rabble!
Well, since the final nominee lists are almost always five-names long, my guess is these aren't final.
wtf? Elisabeth deserves at least one nomination, she was really great this season...
Reverend: These are the 10 that they take 5 from. She didn't even make the 10 shortlist.
Oh well... She is great, but... Mitchel was great and awesome this season.
GO Matthew! Matthew Fox!!! Good Luck Matthew!
I can't believe Elizabeth Mitchell didn't get a nomination! That is ridiculous! I also can't believe that 4 women from Grey's Anatomy got nominated. I guess we can tell they are obviously biased towards Grey's Anatomy which is possibly the most overrated show of all time. Elizabeth Mitchell is an amazing actress and I would say that even if I weren't a fan of LOST. She really displayed her range of acting talent this season and she deserved to be nominated. It's really sad that they decided to snub her.
This is completely outrageous to me. She had a chance to WIN! Ridiculous...
I'm sick of the Emmys too. It's starting to become a popularity contest. I could have seen Elizabeth Mitchell not being nominated though because she is so new and not many people know about her. But this is just complete BS.
I'm sick of Grey's Anatomy too. This season proved how crappy that show is. Evidence: horrible season finale. Chandra Wilson in the top 10? Please! She was in the show for maybe 2 minutes per episode and her character, although great, has been given NOTHING to do. She just stands around, gives a snarky comment, then walks off. The writers really need to work on her.
I can also understand Oh and Walsh in the top 10 but Heigl? Really? Who doesn't hate Izzie now, Ms. Neurotic-Crazy 2007? Not a good performance at all.
Sorry for the rant, this is just shameful. All that needs to happen now is Emerson, O'Quinn, and the series "Lost" to get snubbed for me to KNOW that the Emmys are worthless trash.
shouldnt really come as much of a shock seeming the only good episode acting wise she had was One of Us and she wasnt exactly anything special in that imo. i dont find her the best of actresses although you could just say her character isnt written the best.
*awaits wrath of em fans*
I don't think Fox will get a nomination. Jack was kind of all over the place this year. ATOTC was okay, SIASL sucked, and TTLG was just odd. Don't expect Fox's name to appear on Thursday.
Here's who I think we can expect to see:
-Kyle Chandler (FNL is the happy, feel-good engine that could)
-Patrick Dempsey (Emmy's will certainly pay lip service to TV's silliest- I mean most popular show)
-James Gandolfini (Sorry, Michael C. Hall, there's only room enough for one pay cable nominee and you better believe the Emmy's will honor the Sopranos departure)
-Hugh Laurie (Always a favorite, because if they don't nominate House, they'll just make him wierder next season)
-Denis Leary (All that controversy is good for getting noms)
As for the ladies, doesn't the Academy know that sharing is caring? I guess it's silly of us to expect more from a bunch of rich elitists from California.
Nothing bad to say about 'Grey's' because I love that show also... but is this official? I mean... Kay Walsh?! it's Kate Walsh! (wich is also a great actress) Miss Heigl was lovely this season, so was miss wilson... but the only one of the grey's cast who REALLY deserved it is Sandra Oh... AMAZING actress! AMAZING character on the show :)
but this sucks nothing compares to Lost... and Elizabeth SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOMINATED!!!!!!!! she rocked this season!... I wanted more Losties on that list... :(
Jack Bauer should be nominated every year, I don't care how his acting was this season, he has earned it.
Back to the topic, I agree with G-man, Mathew Fox isn't getting nominated, it wouldn't be fair I think.
On the other hand, I've never watched Greys Anatomy but I find it very hard to believe that 4 of them were better than Mitchell, she was oustanding. She really deserves a nomination, but I'm starting to feel that Lost won't win anything this season. It was just too "complex" por the academy.
How is it that THIS year is beginning to make you realize the EMMYs are worthless?
EM deserves an award... forget being nominated.
I do have one question though, was she given the entire script when they filmed the scenes at once? OR did they film part of it and then tell her the other part of her dialogue?
For example: In DOC, Juliet tells Sun how happy she is to finally be able to give someone good news since coming on the island... a minute later is Bad Juliet.
Its just stuff like that that make me think EM was given the Good Juliet dialouge then they say cut and give her the Bad Juliet lines so she could play both perfectly.
Either that OR EM is the best actress ever.
I don't think that LOST has very strong lead female or lead male actors. If they gave TOQ or Emerson the airtime they give MF (who is pretty, granted, but the character makes me yawn), and they moved into lead actor status, then LOST would be more than viable in these catagories. On the actress side, if the woman who plays Rose (I forget her first initial) Scott Caldwell were lead, it would be amazing - both for the show and for the awards.
It may be heresy, but I don't think Matthew Fox should make the cut. Of all the great performers on Lost, I honestly think his acting is among the weakest. But that's just my opinion.
What I want to know is how Michael Emerson didn't get nominated for anything last year. Was he in too many episodes to be a Guest Actor and too few to be a Supporting Actor? That's the only acceptable explanation I can come up with for his Season 2 performance not being recognized.
I totally agree with Latino Thunder that Michael Emerson and Terry O'Quinn deserve nominations. I'd even go as far as to say Kevin Tighe should be nominated for Guest Actor.
4 Grey's actresses are nominated, and Elizabeth Mitchell is snubbed? That is wrong in so many ways.
There isn't much variation of shows in the supporting actress category.
Elizabeth Mitchell was brilliant this season and one of the few things that I actually really loved about season 3.
lost fans dont want a lost actor to win . thats qwite suprising. best of luck matthew fox
as much as i love lost, i have to say that Matthew Fox is at least in my opinion not deserving of being up there. Michael Emerson, and Terry O' Quinn steal the show in terms of their acting at least in my mind.
But even still looking at the competition he has i'd have to say that James Gandolfini, Michale C. Hall, Hugh Laurie, Kiefer Sutherland and Especially Denis Leary have all performed better in their respective shows than Fox has.
I'm sure others feel differently as it is meerly my opinion but as a whole the acting on this show isn't anything that is "standout" rather it just comes together as a whole as awesome. I do however think that if michael emerson (at the least) isn't nominated than the emmy's have lost even more in my eyes than they aleady had (which was very very little)
I'm a little hater of the Grey's Anatomy hype because I think the series just isn't good drama. It comes closer to soap with better filming techniques.
But Lost's season 3 didn't provide any constant actor-quality. Most characters and therefore actors only shined in 1 or 2 episodes while actos like Mathew Fox were forgotten somewhere in the middle of the season along with others.
For an emmy, you need to be a good actor an entire season.
I do not blame any actor but I blame the producers for not getting the most out of their brilliant actors and characters. Just look at Henry Ian Cusick's performances in the Season 2 finale and Flashes Before your Eyes and look at the one liners he has the rest of the season. Same goes for all the minor characters and most others too.
Especially Evangeline Lilly and Josh Holloway sucked the whole season through in my opinion. She has like only one facial expression and he can't talk any other way.
In my opinion, Lost doesn't deserve any Emmy this year.
And I have to add that Elisabeth Mitchel only really impressed me in her second episode (One of Us) in her on-island FLASHBACKS ONLY.
Other than that, she only wore a mask that hypnotised you and let you move your lips a little so you can make funny sounds that are always the same (either "I'm lying" or "I don't lie" in their respective tenses).
IMO EM did a very job playing out the black and white of Lost. She always kept me wondering which whay she would go -- good or bad Juliet. And, as a female character she definitely had the most airtime.
As for MF -- I agree with the opinions above and am very surprised that he made the short list over TOQ and ME who are way more deserving.
Bullshit!!! Bullshit!!!! Bullshit!!! Elizabeth Mitchell was great this year. Her speech in One Of Us to Sawyer and Sayid still is one of my favorite moments from my second favorite episode this season. Seriously i'm done with the emmy's a waste of time!!! Simply BS that she isnt on the final 10 list much less than final 5. 4 from Grey's Anatomy are you kidding me. I'm sure it is a good show but come on your telling me there are 4 actresses in that show that are great and are better than Elizabeth Mitchell!! The emmys can go to hell for all I care!! They have just lost all credibility in my book!
What about lead actress is Evangeline on there? I know this wasn't her best season but she still deserves final 10.
And what about supporting actor. Is Micheal Emerson or Terry O'Quinn going to be on that list?
I'm telling yea right now these reward shows are a pile of junk in my book now.
The only really good actor in Lost is Emerson. How can you say Mitchell should win a prize? Sorry for my bad english but I'm italian... and maybe we have a different idea about the good playing. Bye
Well if this is the case and Lost gets shut out of the voting this year, the Emmy's have lost one viewer.
lost fans dont want a lost actor to win . thats qwite suprising. best of luck matthew fox
Right... Good luck Matthew Fox, too bad Elizabeth Mitchell didn't make it "on the list". She was amazing and would've deserved it. Let's hope that some other Losties will make it on "Supporting Actors" and "Lead Actress" lists.
Kevin,
Sort of. Last season, Michael Emerson was in too many episodes to be drama guest actor, but drama supporting actor is very competative, and he was only in part of the season.
Last year, drama supporting actor was straight up popular vote for the five nom spots. This year, there's a popular vote for the top ten spots, a vote by panel judges on the submitted episodes for everyone who made the top ten, and then nominations are determined by a combination of the two scores.
General,
Add my vote to those who think Mitchell should have made the top tens. And I don't think Fox will get nominated, either. He's not a terrible actor, but I don't think he's Emmy-worthy, either.
Tusaz,
Matthew Fox submitted in the drama lead actor category. Michael Emerson and Terry O'Quinn submitted in the drama supporting actor category. So Fox didn't get in over Emerson and O'Quinn. In fact, there's a good chance that Emerson and O'Quinn by the top ten cut in their category.
Deedsy404,
Drama lead actress and drama supporting actor haven't fully leaked yet. Although personally I don't think Evangeline Lilly deserves to make the top ten. However, it is looking like O'Quinn and Emerson (and maybe even Andrews and Cusick) made the top tens.
General Again,
All my information comes from theenvelope.com.
The unofficially official list of the top tens can be found here:
http://goldderbyforums.latimes.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1106078764/m/53210546
Additional information can be gleamed from http://goldderby.latimes.com/.
The fact that Cusick, O'Quinn, Andrews, and Emerson are all mentioned either in Tom's predictions (http://goldderby.latimes.com/awards_goldderby/2007/07/my-fearless-pee.html#more) or the predictions of one of the judges (http://goldderby.latimes.com/awards_goldderby/2007/07/emmy-judge-1-br.html#more) leads me to believe that the actors made the top ten.
Mitchell definitely deserves a nod. I actually think Grey's Anatomy is okay, but this season didn't live up to the first two. Particularly Chandra Wilson, who has done a great job in the past, was really weak. Her character wasn't given much to do, and her frustration seemed to come out in her ho-hum performance. And Kate Walsh's spinoff is gonna S-U-C-K suck. I'd rather watch General Hospital.
I actually like Foxy as an actor, although Jack annoys the crap out of me. I don't see him running up against guys like Gandolfini and Hugh Laurie, though. Not this season. He just hasn't had much of anything interesting to do.
We can only hope that TOQ and Emerson get theirs, but it is the Emmys after all, and they're just not pretty enough.
Michael Emerson was probably onscreen more than Matthew Fox this season. It's just idiotic for Fox to be considered with the likes of Michael C. Hall. That guy can ACT. Fox can only scream and bawl. If the scene calls for comedy or romance or any subtlety whatsoever...well, you get the kind of acting he did in SIASL.
Bonsai, there's no way four Lost actors are getting into the top ten and the fact that Goldderby voters think Naveen Andrews would get in over Josh Holloway only goes to show how male jealousy blinds these dudes to who has given truly powerful emotional performances this year. I love Naveen, but the guy barely had any screen time. Gold Derby is funny though, with all those couch potatoes hating on the hot guys and rooting for the hot chicks. I did notice there's not much love for Matthew Fox there either.
And if you want to see an actual LEAD actor, look at the amazing Denis Leary, who not only writes and produces the show, but acts in EVERY episode and carries the show completely on his skinny back. That's a guy who could have Fox's ego if he wanted to, but is just way too cool.
Faith,
It's not about jealousy or even preformance. Heck, I haven't even seen many Goldderby votes predicting Andrews or Holloway. Most seem to favor O'Quinn or Cusick, with Emerson coming in third.
But Tom O'Neil has inside information. I'm not 100% sure that he has the top tens for drama supporting actor, of course, so four Lost actors making the cut isn't confirmed.
Personally, though, I'd agree with you. Andrews is a great actor, but he was criminally ignored this year, while Holloway was given some decent material. But Naveen Andrews has something Josh Holloway doesn't: a prior nommination.
The top tens are a popularity contest, pure and simple. That's why the ever talented Elizabeth Mitchell didn't make the cut.
If you're confirming it's a popularity contest then I think you're confirming that jealousy is indeed a factor, bonsai.
Your comment that a prior nomination makes someone more viable really goes to show how weird and meaningless this thing is, eh? How on earth is that remotely relevant. Is that how the milquetoast Dempsey keeps getting nominated. And I guess that also accounts for the constant presence of his utterly blah female costars as well. The voters are just stuck in ruts. Really great that that's the kind of people making judgments on others' artistic efforts.
Matthew Fox acting was weak this season he was olnly good in TTLG .and Elizabeth and Josh give the best preformanse this season.
Faith,
The top tens are a popularity contest with the Emmy voters not the forum members at Goldderby. Goldderby forum members don't decide the top tens.
To Recap
Goldderby forum members: Generally predicting O'Quinn, Cusick, and Emerson. As far as I've seen, none of them think Andrews would/should get in over Holloway, since very few of the members have even mentioned either actor.
Emmy voters: Potentially put O'Quinn, Cusick, Emerson, and Andrews in the top tens.
And yeah, definitely weird. Last year they voted in someone who only had 14 seconds of screen time. Thankfully, though, nomminates are decided 50% on popular score and 50% on grade given to a submitted episode. Although, of course, there is no submitted episode if the actor fails to make the top ten a la Elizabeth Mitchell and Josh Holloway.
Thanks for the insight, bonasi. Can you explain who these geniuses are who get to vote on these awards? They've always seemed totally irrational to me. The popularity aspect - do you mean actual friendship with these actors? Do the "judges" stand to benefit by pimping their friends?
It's odd because tv really has gotten better in recent years, especially on cable, but the awards seem bound and determined to reward every last vestige of mediocrity they can find. Are we talking old rich white men here, primarily?
To be honest, I'm actually not exactly sure who it is that composes the Emmy voters, but I believe that primarily rich white guy is pretty accurate. ;-)
As for the popularity part, the first stage of the nomminations process had all the actors who wanted to be considered throwing their hats in the ring. Then the judges looked at the list and voted for the top tens. The judges haven't watched every show on television, so name recogniztion counts. (Be it friendship, being on the same network, prior nomminations/wins, or critical praise.) As for the judges benefitting, again, I'm not sure. But I believe that networks pay to have their actors be part of the academy that makes up the judges. But don't quote me on that; this is just what I've gathered from lurking the Goldderby boards.
I can't believe Elizabeth Mitchell didn't even crack the top ten. What the frak?!
as much as i love juliet, and thought elizibeth did a great job, i'm more pissed about the fact that connie britton from fnl isn't up there... unless of course she makes the lead actress thing.
This is quite an education really. They don't even watch the submitted episodes to come up with their top ten. They just vote on who they know/like. Holy crap, it's so much worse than I thought. It's like picking class president in high school basically.
It's actually kind of amazing that real heavyweight talents like Michael C. Hall make the cut (I'm assuming because of past glory, now that I know this is all a meaningless ritual). And I won't have to scratch my head now when Denis Leary doesn't get nominated, despite showing ten times Fox's acting range and besides the fact that he, unlike Fox, is the indisputable LEAD of the show.
oh my, faith... you need to calm down about this 'OMG I HATE MATTHEW FOX!' stuff
LOL, these people on this dark blog are fixated on me. I'm learning something ackerwhatever. I'm not here to gush over your superhero. I'm entitled to my opinions just as much as you, and I'm engaging in a far more interesting conversation with bonasi than 99% of what you fanboys usually discuss.
Unbelievable! Grey's anatomy is awful! It is a stupid show, they are doctors but they could be bakers or waiters or plumblers it is doesn't matter cause the only plot is people making sex with someone and this is no much to do to an actor...Horrible Emmys awards I think!
I can't believe that the northamerican people don't know that Lost is a great,great show which is making story on the TV shows. And the actors are amazing, all of them.
She has been a stand out actress this season. Wonder if the whole GA controversy has tilted things in it's favour?
WHAT?!! ELIZABETH DID'T MAKE IT?! OMG, I can't believe, they're so wrong, Elizabeth is such a great actress... I'm gonna cry now. Emmy sucks!
No kidding ^ :-)
The guy is not even confirmed to be on the run. Let it go. We are lost fans. I like the fact that he got nominated, despite believing this was not the best of him.
I'm pissed about E. Mitchell.
E. Lilly is not a good actress in my opinion, she was ok in the beginning of the show but now she doesn't seem to be able to change much.
Josh is good but not fantastic either.
The good actors (third season) for me are without a doubt Emerson and Mitchell.
Ackermaniv,
Connie Britton submitted in the drama lead actress category. Only half of the top ten for that category has been released so far.
Faith,
Pretty much.
As for Denis Leary vs Matthew Fox, I've never watched Rescue Me, but remember that the panel vote for episode submission counts for half. Whether none/one/both get nomminated is going to depend on where they ranked in the popular vote and where their episode ranked in the panel vote.
I see, bonasi, I'm jsut blown away that this "popular vote" stage exists at all. It's actually disgusting. Artists work shouldn't be judged by corporate fatcats who are looking to scratch each others backs. That's sure what it sounds like.
I still can't believe that they make the first cut without even looking at the evidence. I never realized this was a totally corrupt process. I knew there were politics, but not that it was this dirty.
It's Hollywood Faith. I agree that it's lousy, but the fact that this is at least partially based on a blatant popularity contest and media whoring surprises you?
Elizabeth Mitchell being snubbed is awful. Her not being there ruins that whole category. I hope Matthew Fox gets nominated. I'm not sure he deserves to win, but he was great in the finale and the premiere. And the Emmys are only judged on one episode for actors after they get through the popularity contest- he submitted the premiere. Even with just one ep that matters, Dempsey had better not be there. I hope Leary and Hall are with Fox. Gandolfini will be. I hope Emerson at least gets a supporting nod- he especially deserves it so much, O'Quinn or Cusick hopefully will be there too.
Look how happy people are about Mitchell's emmy snub:
http://goldderbyforums.latimes.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1106078764/m/95410207
What surprises me the most about the comments I have read here is how many people think that Fox and Mitchell are not amazing actors. Gimme a break
You linked to a comedy actress thread. But I post on that board, and that whole board is full of surprise and hate for the Elizabeth Mitchell snub. Very few expected it and only then because of the ways of popular vote. I haven't seen much Matthew Fox hate. Most aren't predicting him for a nom, but it's a tight race.
This is bullsh*t.
This is bullsh*t.
Well can't say I'm surprised, The Emmy's have always been the same old same old for years. Of course EM deserves to be nominated and to win, and I'll still keep my fingers crossed for Matthew. If he does win, well he won with EM's help, she really gave him someone to sink his actng chops into, they're fantastic together. And what about the other categories? I'm hopping ME gets a nod too.
i'm not trying to sound like an a**hole or anything, but you guys have to realize their are other shows on tv, with other actors. so while its completely fine to be upset that someone you like doesn't make the cut, you have to remember that they can't take all of the actors from lost. and i know it's hard to hear this, but there are actors out there just as good, if not better, than people on that list. the way the emmy's are voted for isn't exactly in terms of quality, like others have said, but recogizability and habit. imagine if lost took up all the nominations... that wouldn't be fair. in fact, it would make people turn against lost, because it is preventing other perfectly capable people from being given the chance.
and faith-- you really have to calm down. i wasn't trying to target you for anything, and i'm certainly not a big fan of matthew fox. i'm confused as to why you attacked me (saying i'm gushing over my superhero and that i'm a fanboy... i mean, does not hating someone the way you do make me a fanboy?). all i was trying to do was to get you to calm down a little with this whole 'matthew fox sucks business'-- you act as if he has made an attack against you and your family... it's a bit strange
mmm... They watch Lost?
Maybe they only saw the first season... so the only know Jack.
... C'mon!! Elizabeth Mitchell is just the most awesome actress in Lost history!
If she not wins the Golden Globe... THEN I will become mad.
DarkUFO: What do you mean "how worthless the Emmy's are becoming" ???
In 1989, "War and Remembrance" won Outstanding Miniseries, beating out "Lonesome Dove". Doesn't get more worthless than than that.
They've tinkered with the voting process for decades, to no avail. I'm happy Foxy got in, though.
...Sucks that EM didn't get in, I thought she was great all season esp the scene where she saw her sister on the TV screen & started crying etc....
I guess I'm in the small group here who's happy for MF, solid all season & really great in ATOTC & TTLG..Fingers Crossed for him!!
Plus I probably should let this be, but I'm really interested now, so just a quick question...
Faith....
"That's a guy who could have Fox's ego if he wanted to, but is just way too cool"
Just a question what the Hell did Matthew Fox do to you(well apart from the fact that he's the lead of the show & not Josh Holloway)? Cause from what I can gage from your comments on this site, you take every chance you get to beat down on the guy...
My girlfriend makes me watch Grey's, and for god sakes, that is some of the worse TV i've ever seen in my life.
The fact that 4 actresses got the nod over EM is just not right. Out of all the "deserving" nominees, EM is probably the one actress that developed layers to her character.
Matthew Fox has been very deserving also. The funny thing about all the Jack-haters is that they don't realize that they dislike him because he is a flawed character. We're SUPPOSED to dislike him to a certain extent. The flawed hero makes up for some of the most interesting narratives in history.
Erichan22,
Just a quick note of clarity, but the four Grey's actress haven't been nomminated [yet] -- they just made the top ten. (If this isn't what you were saying, I apologize.)
As for Matthew Fox and Jack, I very much disagree.
First, I don't think Fox does Emmy-worthy work. He does decent work with the occasional above average scene.
Second, I don't dislike Jack because he's a flawed character. After all, nearly all the characters on Lost are flawed characters, and I love many of them.
My biggest problem with Jack is scenes like in "Stranger in a Strange Land", when he assaults Achara only to have her tell him that he's a "leader" and a "great man". Or take any scene where Jack insists that Kate stay behind (despite her capabilities) and there's little to no commentary on this. Or his largely unchallenged rerise to leadership at the end of the third season.
In fact, if I felt like the show wanted us to dislike Jack, I'd probably take to the character better. But I only get that message - that Jack is supposed to be intentionally unlikable - about half the time. The other half, his actions are just condoned.
It is the discrepency between what Lost shows and what Lost tells that has turned me off of Jack.
Bonasi
I don't think the writers are forcing us viewers to kiss Jack's feet, especially after that flashforward were their mostly treating his hero status with a sense of irony. Discrepancy between the show and the tell seems like a deliberate from the part of the writers. Everyone in the future tells Jack what a great hero he is for saving the car crash victims, but we know for ourselves that he caused the crash himself via a cowardly suicide attempt. Maybe people have a problem with the way their treating this complex issue because they keep hearing some hardcore Jack fans are always trying to rationalise and spin all actions into a positive. But this tends to happen with all the fan clubs, so I ignore them.
Excellent summary, Bonasi, of why Jack is an unpopular character and MF a mediocre actor, albeit one with a talent for tears.
I've found on this site in particular any non-Jack fan such as Faith gets slagged on mercilessly, as if there were some kind of law requiring Lost fans to have monolithic tastes. It's like the herd beating back an infidel. The problem with the Jack character is not that he's in any way flawed. As Bonasi said, the characters are all flawed. It's that he's poorly written, with no coherent theme as to why he's the alleged hero, other than a kind of default canonization. It's one of the laziest characterizations on the show, probably the laziest. And I think there is something inherently unlikable about the actor (in my opinion) that bleeds into the character and only exacerbates the problem.
Dead shame about Elizabeth Mitchell. She and Michael Emerson are the class of the show and are likely the only reason Fox is even in the running here. Terrible shame. I'm saddened also that predictions seem to be against Lost itself being nominated. I can't fathom a show like Heroes being nominated ahead of Lost, yet that seems to be the expectation.
By the way
-I'm happy Fox made it into the top 10, will have no problem with him getting a nom, do think that the award should go to someone like Michael C. Hall.
-Disappointed Liz Mitchell didn't make it, hope the supporting actors fare better, will have no problem seeing Ian Henry Cusick win the trophy.
i'm not forcing anyone to like jack or matthew fox. although i don't have a problem with him, i'm not a 'gushing fanboy' myself, and nor does it seem anyone else is here.
i just find it a bit strange that faith has this undying hatred for the guy when he has done nothing wrong to her. it a little bizzare... that's all i was getting at
I find your obsession with Faith even more bizarre, ackermaniv. Live and let live. Why do the preferences of a stranger require you to pass judgment? Rather arrogant, I'd say - perhaps even a bit strange.
This will be the kind of chatter I'll be expecting during the Character Cup. Times Ten. Which is why I'll be skipping it alltogether.
Quangtran,
"Through the Looking Glass" is definitely one of the examples of the writers handling it right. And if that continues, I'll be thrilled.
(The writers do get it right sometimes. They're just inconsistant about it.)
And I'm pulling for Cusick, too. Unfortunately, I just found out that Tom O'Neil does not have accessed to the completely list of drama supporting actor top tens, so the categorie's back up in the air.
Nicolas,
Would you believe me if I told you I'm not particularly impressed with Fox's crying? I generally don't find it layered or nuanced, and there's not much variation between one crying scene and another. I actually think he does Obsessive Demanding Stalker much better. ;-P
And actually, if the writers would be more consistant about not coming off like the audience should like/excuse Jack when he's being unlikable, I'd rather enjoy the character. Because it is a lazy characterization. That's the point. Jack started as the one character the audience would intuitively know wouldn't die, which is why the writers were going to kill him in the original script for the pilot.
Jack's the guy who was born into oppertunity, but can't earn his father's approval and his marriage falls apart. He wants to see himself as the reluctant leader, but his actions in the later part of the third season show otherwise. (And even in the beginning, there were other character who would have led, if Jack had really wanted to step down.) Jack has huge problems with misogyny, with wanting to be the savior who swoops into the rescue, but Jack can't acknowledge this.
It's just the persistant moments - like when the writers treat it as romantic that Jack wants Kate to stay out of the action - that are cogs in the wheels.
Concerning Heroes, yeah, I'm with you. There's no way in hell that "Genesis" is a more deserving episode than "Through the Looking Glass". Had Heroes submitted "Company Man", then maybe. But not for "Genesis".
What quangtron said. Why doesn't blogspot have killfiles? I feel like im posting in the stone age here.
Grey's Anatomy is the most useless show in the world. Clearly the people who nominate actors/actresses don't have the brain capacity to understand LOST.
jesus... i made one comment simply asking someone to tone done this craziness over matthew fox and now i'm being attacked...
dark-- as much as i love you're site, i think some of the people on it are a bit.... touchy
flame away...
Matthew Fox is bad actor he doesen't deservre to be in the top 10.The writers have a big big problem how they wrote Jack character he is olnly a character who have a serious problem with his pathetic complex "Im the Hero".but he is not hero his actions end with total disaster.and because of this and many other reasons he is one of the most hated characters on Lost.
And i think James Gandolfini will get "Emmy" he is just "Classic".fantastic actor.And i respect his work a lot.
Here's the correct link for the supporting drama actress thread:
http://goldderbyforums.latimes.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1106078764/m/96210896/p/15
I'm not going to respond to the "Matthew Fox is a bad actor" comment, except say that while this may be true, he looks like frickin' Brando compared to Lily, Garcia, Holloway and the hobbit.
Why is Hugh Laurie so popular in the States? I'm surely not the only one to remember him as the unfunny one from A Bit of Fry and Laurie. :)
"he looks like fricin'Brando compared to Lily,Garcia,Holloway and the hobit".Well the hobit,Josh,Garcia and Lily all are better then the pathetic Matthew Fox. who acting is olnly crying and yelling at people .and yes i almost forget his "Im doctor Jack the Hero of Lost"!!!!!!!!!
Oh no! You hold a different opinion to me!
*strops off*
;)
The best actors on Lost to me:
Michael Emerson, Josh Holloway and Terry O'Quin.
But I think that there are a lot of good actors in Lost: E. Michael, Naveen Andrews, E. Lilly...All of them are better than Grey's Anatomy's actors, of course, but I think that Emmys are sinking fast.
Katherine Hiegel deserves one. =D
First, I wonder how legit this list is given the mistake of Kate Walsh's name. I also question because although it seems very Grey's heavy, those two choices from the Sopranos are ridiculous. It was a mediocre "season" to begin with and Janice and Dr. Melfi were hardly worth noting.
Maybe the Emmys just don't like Elizabeth Mitchell since she was passed over for "Gia" even though Angelina Jolie won.
El Derelicto de Oscar,
Tom O'Neil's considered a very reliable source of information. I'm guessing he just made a spelling error. And I suspect that it's less the Emmys not liking Mitchell and more them not being familiar with her name.
sawyerrules, I'd swap out Lilly for Cusick, and add both the Kims to that list.
I'd also say that Monaghan, Holloway, and Garcia all hold their own along with Fox.
Just my opinion.
I love shippers. They make life on the boards so much more interesting.
FOUR from Grey's Anatomy? WTF?
Well, let's hope the men are:
Hugh Laurie
James Gandolfini
Matthew Fox
Keifer S.
None of the women are too out there to capture my attention.
Bonasi, you are right, I stoped the list but Cusick, Monaghan, Garcia...are good too.
I think that Holloway is the main character in season tree (with E.Lilly) and he is better actor than Fox then he'd must be the nominated.
Ya know, sawyerrules, Holloway probably could submitt drama lead actor. This year, though, he went drama supporting actor, which means he doesn't have a chance of being nomminated. Or to be honest, even cracking the top ten. The field's way competative, both with Lost's superb supporting actors and with the supporting actors of other shows.
Of course, drama lead actor is still pretty competative itself, and had Holloway submitted for it, he'd be battling it out not just with Fox, but also the likes of Michael Hall, Denis Leary, Kiefer Sutherland, and so on.
I know we are here to talk about Lost, but I have to say:
GO HUGH LAURIE, GO!!!
My nominees:
-M. Emerson
-J. Holloway
-H. I. Cusick
-T. O'Queen
-N. Andrews
-H. Laurie
can you elaborate on how sawyer is the lead of season 3....
because that comment baffles me
Ackermaniv,
It could be argued that Josh Holloway could submitt in the drama lead actor category at the Emmys. The division between lead and supporting is pretty thin. For instance, on Two and a Half Men, one of the male actors submits lead and ther other submits supporting, even though from what I understand they are equal on the show.
(Sawyerrules may want to add their perspective.)
This looks fake. The Emmys usually have four or five nominations per category and these have ten. Given that, and the fact that the announcement isn't until tomorrow I think that someone duped you Dark.
kate dammit run-- these are the alleged shortlists, with the top 10, and then from there, 5 are chosen
bonsai-- i agree that none of the actors were really lead this season... since most of them ended up with about the same screen time. i just didn't see sawyer as being the lead of this season. but thats from my perspective.
Kate Dammit Run,
The lists aren't fake. But they aren't the nomminations, either. Those will be released tomorrow. What Dark posted are the top tens. That's the pre-nomminations list decided by a popular vote. From that list, a panel of judges ranked episode submissions. That score in combinations with the popular vote determined the final nomminations. But since Elizabeth Mitchell didn't even make the top ten, she can't be nomminated.
But Dark? It's a bit confusing for you to have "nomminated" with "...the fact that 4 Grey's actors have nominated finally..." Four Grey's actors haven't been nomminated, just made the pre-nom top ten.
General,
Tom O'Neil over at the envelope has a post about the voting process, for those who had strong reactions to the role of the popular vote.
http://goldderby.latimes.com/awards_goldderby/2007/07/get-ready-for-e.html#more
How do FOUR Grey's Anatomy girls get nominated and not ONE Lost female? The only thing Heigle's character did this year was whine and cry over another whiner. She was so annoying this year that I now dislike the actress, though I know it's not fair, can't help it. I think everyone on LOST kicked some serious acting butt this year but everyone can't be nominated. EM was outstanding and her role was pivotal, DM (Charlie) was excellent but he really didn't get to shine until the last episodes. Still, if they vote on one episode, his performance in TTLG deserves a nomination. This was Josh H's year on Lost. His performance was excellent. And by the way, this may be hard for some to believe but I am neither a JATER or SKATER. Get this concept - I love both of them in their own unique ways! Amazing, huh? They both have their flaws but they both have a lot of great qualities as well. Who can blame Kate for being confused. I challenge any straight, red-blooded woman to be on an island with those two men, and not just those two, the island is full of good looking men.. But if Kate is getting all the criticism for not really choosing one or the other, I say, how can she? They're both amazing and they both love her!!
The Emmy's have never gotten it right as far as I'm concerned. If they ever started nominating a lot of TV shows and actors I admired I would check myself into the hospital because something would probably be wrong with me. I think true LOST fans won't care a damn about the Emmy's. But I'm pretty sure the LOST actors and producers would like to be acknowledged and recognized for their work, they certainly deserve to be. And it's very sad that the Emmy's is what is considered recognition in Hollywood.
Dark, I love your website, but after reading these comments, I am wondering what many of the people who are writing them are doing here. They sound more like LOST haters than LOST fans. What a bunch of mean people! I am hoping the real LOST fans that are out there start making comments real soon - I miss you!
I'm with you Jacob's Chair Hugh Laurie is always enchanting as House....love him dearly. Actually I don't have too much problem with the Male pre-noms as I also feel Eddie Izzard is awesome in the Riches! Although Josh Halloway has been better than MF IMO because I feel like we've been able to read into Sawyers soul this season. But its always a bit sketchy on LOST who is a lead and who is a supporting actor
As for the female list.....well thats another story :S
Ackermaniv and Bonasi
These as sort of semi-final lists makes more sense. But I think that the reason why Dark said "nominated" is that he believed, and therefore presented these as, being the final nominations. That's why these seem obviously fake. IIRC in reality Dark turned out to be right and four Greys actresses DID make the final nomination.
Ackermaniv,
I hear what you're saying. Ensemble shows like Lost really don't fit with the lead-supporting set up.
islandgirl,
Four Grey's Anatomy women made the pre-nom top ten. Only three got nominated. As for no Lost women getting nominated, Elizabeth Mitchell had the best shot, but she lacked the name recognition to make the top tens, which is decided by a popular vote.
As for Dominic Monaghan, he was good, but even if he had made the top ten, his episode submission was "Flashes Before Your Eyes", not "Greatest Hits" or "Through the Looking Glass". Very WTF, I know.
As for true Lost fans not caring about the Emmy, why should we not? Michael Emerson and Terry O'Quinn both snagged supporting actor nods, and Lost grabbed multiple technical noms. Not that the system's perfect, by any means.
Kate Dammit Run,
Only three Grey's Anatomy women got nominations.
I dont think she would win but maybe a nomination it would be fair. I dont like the way her face is like paralized with a botox overdosis... that dumb smile on her face...
Although, I hope Michael Emerson will win. He deserves it a lot!!!
Well, about too many Grey'd ppl, man, it cannot be serious... I hate this kind of series where everybody is promiscuous... I would write this with other words but I would be censored for sure and for a reason... :D
Dennis Leary -- a tiresome comedian -- gets the nod for Best "Actor" over actual actors like Fox and Michael C. Hall??
I've bitched about the bitches from Greys already, but Elizabeth Mitchell's agent should not only demand a recount, but start a campaign limiting the amount of actors from one show in a single category. Two should be the max.
Bonasi - Thanks for the info, disappointed that EM did not get nominated, but not surprised. I can't for the life of me understand how Heigle got nominated this year. And Chandra Wilson, though magnificent, had minimal involvement in the main story lines this year. I guess it really is all about the popularity.
Regarding Dominic, you're right - very WTF. What was he thinking? Doesn't he have people who advise him? Maybe he's getting bad advice!
And I didn't mean to imply that Lost fans should not care about the Emmy's. What I meant was that regardless of whether or not Lost and its actors win Emmys, true Lost fans will continue to love the show and watch it and comment on it on these sites. I am happy for Terry O'Quinn and Michael Emerson because unfortunately, the award is important in the industry they are in. So I wish them both the best. Thanks again for the info Bonasi.