I've been getting a lot of emails and seeing a lot of debate in the comments section about exactly who the Oceanic 6 are.
They are Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Sun and Aaron.
Hopefully this will end some of the debate that's been going around.
Note: I know back in December when we had the Oceanic 6 revealed and we had Jin instead of Aaron. This was due to the fact that my source who watch an early cut of Ji Yeon, like a lot of us, assumed the Jin part of the story was a Flash-forward and not a FB (The end scene was not on their cut of the episode). I hope this clears things up.
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Two podcasts ago, Damon & Carlton said that Aaron wasn't included in the 6.
and they also said no flashbacks this season lol they lie ALOT not the first time and def not the last time
Why would Aaron be one of the O6. Technically he wasn't even on the plane. I think Ben is one using another name.
Darkie- Where dost thou get said information? I certainly agree that this is the 6 but I want to know your source. Is this straight from the mouths of Darlton?
And how do we know Jin wasn't one of the Oceanic 6?
Assuming Jin's body was in the grave, wouldn't he have had to escape the island?
And how do we know Jin wasn't one of the Oceanic 6?
Well if you are a spoiler reader, last week the promo said "The Final of the Oceanic 6 will be revealed". The final one was Sun.
Also Ausiello posted a spoiler that indicated it would be one of either Sun or Jin, and we know it can't be Jin as he has a tombstone :)
i think this post on the main page is a little spoiler-ish. I don't want to know what your spoiler source said - because in Lost world it could still potentially mean other things. I don't even like to SEE the word "spoiler" - it makes my heart palpitate and I get nauseous because I've spent the past 3 1/2 years trying to remain spoiler-free!
Some people still don't count Aaron as an Oceanic 6 - I'm still holding out hope he isn't and there is one more to come off the island but your spoiler post kind of blows that fantasy for me. Dark please leave spoiler stuff (even if you THINK it's past spoiler stuff) off the main page. Thanks!
I relistened to the podcast (Feb 28th's podcast). Carlton mentions Aaron, making it seem like he was. Then Damon seems to be playing Devil's advocate saying he was in utero, not really on the plane.
So relistening to it, I think he is part of the 6, and that Damon was just jerking us around.
So I'll take Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, and Aaron as the 6.
Bianca, there are no spoilers in what I posted. All that information was for Ji Yeon.
IT makes no sense Aaron being part of the 6 like others have said he wasnt born yet so how can he count? And just because we saw Jins tombstone and the DOD was the day the plane crashed doesnt mean anything.
Dark: Any confirmation on whether Jin is alive or dead?
Looks like they've made out that Jin died in the crash so I guess this could prove that he isn't one of the oceanic 6. Still I don't understand how Aaron can be one of them since he wasn't properly on the plane.
An open letter to every frickin' person who says "Aaron can't be one of the Oceanic 6, he wasn't even born....":
Dear confused "Lost" viewer,
"The Oceanic 6" is a term coined by the media. It is not a scientific term. It does not take into account age, race, ethnicity, date of conception, etc. It does take into account this: A plane with 324 people on it crashed. All were presumed dead. Then, miraculously six survivors were found to be alive. They are Kate, Hurley, Jack, Sayid, Sun and Aaron. The media coined them The Oceanic 6. Somehow, "The Oceanic 5 Plus The Child Of One Of The Survivors Who As A Fetus Technically Wasn't On The Flight Manifest" didn't have the same ring to it. Hope this helps clear things up.
that was brilliant raymond
i dont understand why people dont get it?
maybe they are fans of other characters who are not off the island.
thanks for clearing this up dark
In utero or on a seat, Aaron was on the flight and survived the crash....hence he is one of the Oceanic 6.
Thank you raymond....christ people are so thick headed.
It will, though, be interesting what the ultimate explanation is for how Aaron came to survive (having not yet been born when the plane crashed and not on the manifest) and why he ended up with Kate. I suppose the O6 could have claimed he was an unticketed passenger flying in his mom's lap and that Kate - having saved him - laid claim to him. That would never happen in the "real world," of course. Otherwise, there's one hell of a time problem.
As far as I'm concerned LOST officially sucks now. Making Aaron one of the oceanic 6 is a horrible idea. Now we know that much of the future story line is going to deal with the Kate/Jack/Baby/Claire's Jack's half Sister story line, and well... quite frankly that is a story line that could have been dealt with in 25 minutes of an episode, and in fact already has... so WTF Aaron? really? the shark has officially been Jumped.
Sorry to say, but I doubt that Aaron was formally registed as a passenger of Oceanic Flight 815 and can be considered as one of the "Oceanic Six". Furthermore, how could Kate pretend that she is Aaron's mother ? She did not have even the time to conceive a baby on the island !
My first guess is that Ben is counted as one of the "Oceanic Six" because he took the identity of one of the passenger (and we know he got off the island).
And what about Michael (aka Kevin Johnson) ?
Yup, Aaron survived the crash as Claire didn't have a miscarriage when plane crashed. So he is one of the Oceanic 6 survivors. Plus, didn't the promo for the episode in which we find he's with Kate off-island also mention that another of the Oceanic 6 would be revealed? And it was him.
How could Ben have gotten off the island if people are looking for him and know what he looks like?
Clearly it can't be Ben.
That only leaves Ji Yeon and Aaron as the 2 people that were both on and off the island.
Since Ji Yeon was born OFF the island she can't be considered part of the O6.
Leaving Aaron as the only one we know of being off the island that people know about at this time.
Seriously, why is it so difficult to accpet a 2 year old to be part of the O6
OMG -- Aaron is one of the 6 -- get over it people. At no time have the writers said that you had to be on the manifest to be one the six.
Why is everyone fighting this? The writers made their decision and we now have confirmation of who the 6 are.
If people don't agree with me, that's fine. If dark's confirmation isn't enough, I'm sure the next audio podcast will cover this issue.
Why is everyone so stubborn about this?
It just bugs me that EVERY other Oceanic 6 has been identified as such during an episode. Sayid golfing... Sun in hospital... Kate in court etc...
It's still murky to me.
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Wow, we are all very passionate about this. But does anyone else see what this does to the story line? Does anyone else realize how badly this ruins the plot?
I'll go ahead and accept Aaron as one of the six. I'll also go ahead and say that because of that LOST is no longer a good show, and I will no longer watch it. I'll also say that I'm now on the message boards about it rather than moving on because it takes a bit of time to let go of a show that one has obsessed about for a couple of years. So give me some grieving time, and I'll finally let go of my ridiculous addiction and go back to reading books for entertainment.
i still think it is michael
sublime: wow, someone's overreacting.
Matt there is a simple explanation. Claire survived the plane crash as one of the 8 Jack mentions at the trail but died before rescue.
Trial not trail trial
Why would Aaron being one of the Oceanic 6 ruin the whole plot? We know some make it off the island and will eventually go back to rescue the remaining ones. Jack/Claie/Aaron will only be part of the plotlines to come. I don't understand people who enjoy a show and suddenly declare it crap. I loved the X-Files and watched it right up to the very end. There was pleasure to be gotten from every episode, even from those not as good as others.
Chris, the maudlin tone was meant to be funny. However, I do stand firm that the plot will certainly be less interesting with Aaron as one of the O6. At least part of the future will be about determining that Jack is the child's half-uncle, and blah blah blah soap opera crap that is simply NOT as interesting as the story would be if there was another adult that was part of the 06. Therefore I have indeed lost interest in LOST as a result of this. But again the tone was meant as a joke.
(I'm also still doubting this because of the whole argument that someone else made that the O6 have been very clearly pointed out to us-so I think that the jury is still out on who the final member of the O6 is, in spite of Dark UFO generally being the best source. Also someone else said and I agree that the podcast will most likely clear this up for us)
Man some people! Until we hear otherwise - this is the Oceanic 6. Aaron was on board the plane. Just because he wasn't born when it crashed it doesn't mean he wasn't on the plane, it depends on what your own opinion is of when the foetus becomes a baby.
Jack, Kate, Sayd, Hurley, Sun and Aaron are the Oceanic 6, Dark has confirmed this and it's been said that we'd know the Oceanic 6 after this episode and now we do!!!
i HATE the fact that Aaron is considered one of the O6
Monkstro said...
i HATE the fact that Aaron is considered one of the O6
I'm so glad I'm not alone.
@Sublime Lazy and Monkstro
Do you think the main storyline would be much different if the 6th Oceanic was Jin and not the baby?
Thanks for the confirmation, Dark.
Thank you, Raymond. That should be mandatory reading for everyone.
MNE -yes. absolutely the story would be different.
After saying that Jin was one of the six for three months why should we trust your unsubstantiated statement now??? We have been duped and darkufo has been a pawn in the duping... let's wait and see.
I really don't see why Aaron being "but one" of the Oceanic 6 is troubling. If people we thought were dead showed up alive, we wouldn't not count the baby who was born while they were gone.
The fact that Jin is not one of the Oceanic 6 and perhaps alive on the Island could only create more plotlines for season 5, IMO.
I extremely dislike the idea of Aaron being part of the Oceanic Six. Before you 'OMG GET OVER IT n00b' me into last week; Yes, I know the "Oceanic Six" is a term coined by the media to describe the six people who returned from the Island. However, I think Aaron and Kate (we're considering Kate Aaron's mother) should only count as one. I don't have anything against the turnip head, I just don't think he's significant enough to count. I'm still holding out for a surprise reveal, as the production team as been a lot more careful with spoilers (showing early episode cuts), probably coming from the 'snake in the mailbox' fiasco.
MNE-yeah, unfortunately we also have to deal with Kate and Jack and this baby and the story of who the baby is related to and blah blah blah-a story line which I think is not only boring but pointless, not to mention the fact that we already have dealt with it. Additionally, and this is just a personal thing, but I don't like the idea of a child having anything more than a periphery part in the story line-Walt works out fine as a character in the story-but adding a kid... I mean imagine the ridiculous scenes we're now going to have to endure between Kate and Aaron... and if Aaron wasn't one of the O6 his role and relationship with Kate would be less of a focus then they will now be... I'm so annoyed that I can't even write a decent sentence! LOL. At any rate, the story line will now turn ultimately to Kate/Jack/Aaron... and I was already pretty sick of Kate and Jack as it was...
aarons not one of the six because the whole world knows who the six are and everyone thinks aaron was born off the island in flashforwards. so my guess is claire michael or sawyer.
Sublime Lazy said... As far as I'm concerned LOST officially sucks now. Making Aaron one of the oceanic 6 is a horrible idea.
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He's off the island. What's it matter whether they dub him a member of the oceanic 6 or not? :)
A bigger question is whether the 7 people we've been off the island (O6 plus Ben) are the only people who make it off or not.
Hopefully it is. Too hard to follow if there's too many more.
G-I wish I could agree with you. why do you believe that in the flashforwards everyone believes that Aaron was born OFF island? I don't remember that.
jake I think your question is totally valid and I've already thought about that. Here's my answer:
It changes the way the narrative will function.
MNE,
thank you. while their storyline doesn't particularly grab me, Sun and Jin possibly being reunited (if he's still alive) and Claire and Aaron too, would be a much greater story than if Claire was still with baby and Sun and Jin were still together on or off the island. Those "combos" being torn apart right now and having to come together again after both couples didn't want to be together at the start of the series would be a great plotline.
@Sublime
I'm not displeased with Jack/Kate scenes, but with such a short season, I wouldn't count much in another Kate centric episode, and there are other things to show in Jack's one (coffin, pill poping, etc...).
Aaron has some importance and even Darlton said that. And he would be in Kate's future episodes whether he was one of the Oceanic 6 or not.
i meant that the world knows the o6 so wouldnt someone in the flashforward say something about him. instead of just calling him kates son
"Those "combos" being torn apart right now and having to come together again after both couples didn't want to be together at the start of the series would be a great plotline."
Or... this could be course correction. :) They've would've split up if they hadn't crashed most likely.
It cracks me up when people get so upset over the little things... especially when we already know the little things weeks before. We knew Aaron made it off the island three weeks ago. Whether he's a part of the Oceanic Six or not, doesn't make much to difference to the plotlines at this point. And since we know Ben makes it off the island, we know that until proven dead (and Jin isn't IMO given his tombstone) there's still hope that more of 'em can get off at some point. Somehow. Hey, it's Lost. Anything's possible. It's all in how they explain it.
sublime i think you are putting too much emphasis on claire/jack/christian story. the only way they will ever find out is if claire's aunt tells one of them. i doubt that happens before kate gets the baby. i just don't understand your obsession with this so-called terrible (but non-existent as of yet) plotline.
ok, and probably ben knows. i could see him making that known.
OK First of all, I'm not a great writer, or I wouldn't be writing on these message boards, I'd be schmoozing with the losties writing the story the way *I* think it should go. So with that said, let me try again to explain why I think this is a bad idea. Although I'm feeling increasingly more ridiculous as I continue to argue this.
Here goes:
First of all, someone said something about how we already knew that Aaron got off the island, so why does his being part of the O6 make a difference? Let me see if I can explain my argument better:
It necessarily changes the focus of the narrative. If Aaron had merely gotten off the island, but was not part of the O6, then the narrative could move in various directions-depending on what person (read ADULT) had been been the last of the O6. Now, because one of the O6 is a baby, and it's Claire's baby, and Kate is raising it, that necessarily directs the narrative in a direction that emphasizes Aaron's role in future episodes-something I am utterly DISinterested in seeing. Yes, we knew that Aaron was going to have some part in the future, that has been made clear. But with the amount of emphasis being placed on the O6, we now know that his role is even larger-and in my (very)humble opinion (seeing as I am not a paid writer as I've already stated) this emphasis will lead down a slippery slope of bad soap operatic story-lines that I am not interested in seeing.
This plot-line as Abigail called it, this NON-EXISTENT plot-line will have to go down this road with Aaron as one of the O6. If not this one, then one very much like it. Either way, I'm not interested in it. I think it's a bad direction for the writers to go in.
I hope that this clears up my argument.
Sublime,
I understand what you're trying to say BUT it's the writers' narrative. It's their story. If Aaron is one of the Oceanic 6 it's because that's necessary to how they want to tell the story. They're driving. We're just passengers.
if Aaron was always considered to be one of the people to get off the island.. i wish they were referred to as the Oceanic 5... i just dont like that fact that Aaron is considered one of them.. just my opinion.. i still think LOST is the best show ever, of course.. i just dont like this part of the show...
and to the people saying Jin is alive on the island... i doubt it.. im certain he's dead.. i mean, what would be the point in Hurley and Sun going to Jin's grave if he wasnt dead? it seems rather pointless for them to write that into the show if he's really alive on the island... im SURE he died on the island and they retrieved his body and brought it back with them...
that's why Ray, I am saying that I am no longer a passenger.
Hello in no way can Aaron be one of the Oceanic 6. The previews made it clear the Sun episode would reveal the last two of the Oceanic 6. There are only 2 options:
1. Jin is the last one, he must of made it off the island then died.
2. MICHAEL is the last of the 6. No one thought of that did they???
digital,
The commercial only said that this episode would reveal "the last of the Oceanic 6 NOT the last TWO". I am really really really (der) not wanting it to be Aaron, and while I have my doubts, I have to say that on this point you are mistaken. The ad is availableon Youtube I think. go watch it again.
The "Oceanic 6" was a way of keeping viewers hooked this season as to who got off the island. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't make much difference as they'll be going back to the island to rescue the remaining ones anyway. And each character's plot arc only covers a small percentage of the overall plot anyway, so if you hate children (or just Aaron's big coconut head) then you'll only have to up with it for a short time. :p
It doesn't matter that the previews said "the last of the Oceanic Six will be revealed". The writers don't write that, the network does, and sometimes they're wrong or misleading. I remember a season 1 episode when they made it look like Sawyer was about to shoot Jack over jealousy of Kate. That never happened, Sawyer was aiming at a boar and they cut it to look different.
What bugs me about Aaron as one of the O6 is that they'll have to come up with some completely ridiculous explanation for Kate having custody of him. Either she'll pass him off as her biological child, in which case the heroine of Oceanic 815 was dragging drowning folk out of the water while she herself was hugely pregnant, or he'll be an unidentified blue-eyed baby that she just happened to pluck out of the wreckage and is allowed to keep, despite her legal troubles. I'm prepared to accept a lot of hard-to-believe stuff on Lost, but Aaron as Kate's son is going to be hard to sell.
But I'm glad Dark cleared this up. It's been bugging me no end that, after all this hoopla about the Oceanic 6, that it still wasn't clear who actually are the O6.
Also another thing that's bugging me- you'd have to believe that once the 06 got off the island, they would have been given some sort of medical exam to evaluate their health after being stuck on an island for so long. Wouldn't at least one doctor notice that Kate had never been pregnant/given birth?
I really didn't think it would be Aaron. I'll have to get used to it if it's true. It's still possible that Dark's mistaken, but I doubt it.
well.. at some point we'll see the O6 get rescued from the island.. or leave the island.. or whatever... and then we'll find out for sure...
i think Jin's dead body was brought back.. and he was still considered one of the 6... *shrugs* i have no idea.. i just hate the idea of it being Aaron.. i cant express that enough... i mean Dark DID say Jin was one of the six awhile back... so there is a chance he's wrong now too... we'll see...
I still don't understand sublime's problem. If Jin was #6 then what? He and Sun would still be joined at the hip as far as flashes go. That would NOT add another dimention to the story. Also, Aaron is still off the island!! The Jack = uncle/Claire = half-sister storyline would still unfold using the same amount of the narrative. If you don't approve of the Aaron emphasis then your problem is with Jack and Claire having Christian as their father, not the identity of the Oceanic 6. That may be a valid complaint, but for Ji Yeon to be the episode that incurs your wrath dosen't make sense - Par Avion and Eggtown would have.
Hey! I have another theroy as to who the O6 REALLY are! Remember, Hurly was forced to purchase TWO tickets due to his weight. Hurly counts twice!!!! (That's about as logical as some of the deniers out there, right?)
JD read my argument again. think about it. then read it again.
you have missed my point entirely.
@madcap1:
What are you talking about? They never said there will be no flashbacks this season - they said there will be both FBs and FFs...
Sublime: I read your argument several times in this thread. I don't see how having Aaron named as one of the O6 (in light of the fact that we already knew he was off the island and that Jack is his unknowing uncle and that Kate somehow became his guardian - and that these questions would need to be addressed)changes anything. I get that you have the right to disapprove of the Aaron storyline, but Jin vs. Aaron changes nothing when it comes to resolving Aaron's off-island storyline. How did Ji Yeon change Aaron's situation to the point that you claim you will never watch the show again?
Thank you, dark, for posting this. It's crazy, it's like "Is Charlie really dead?" all over again.
I think it's more outlandish that Kate says Aaron will be wondering where she is in TTLG. No, Kate, a 3 year old doesn't wake up and wonder where his mom is when he has a nanny.
People, no one's going to submit Kate to a gyn exam unless she asks. And if she was a few months less pregnant than Claire at the time of the crash she could be not even showing. They must be claiming Aaron is a few months younger than he is.
Also, Jin's body is not in that grave. He died in the crash as far as the world thinks. His body wasn't rescued.
once more and once only-
JD you clearly have not read my argument-or I am writing something I am completely unaware that I am writing. I have not argued that I want Jin INSTEAD of Aaron...
ever.
That is why I feel as though you should read what I *AM* arguing again. that is if you would like to continue to engage in a discussion with me.
or you can continue not getting it, and I'll just forget about it.
either way: meh.
Also we REALLY NEED THE PODCAST LOL!
Sublime: Let's try this again. You said:
As far as I'm concerned LOST officially sucks now. Making Aaron one of the oceanic 6 is a horrible idea. Now we know that much of the future story line is going to deal with the Kate/Jack/Baby/Claire's Jack's half Sister story line, and well... quite frankly that is a story line that could have been dealt with in 25 minutes of an episode, and in fact already has... so WTF Aaron? really? the shark has officially been Jumped.
Now, I have said that the episode Ji Yeon causing this revelation on your part makes no sense. (I never told you it was not a valid complaint - stop reacting to any argument against you with a knee-jerk hissy fit) We were aware of every fact (except the fact that Aaron, not Jin was the 6th) you mentioned BEFORE Ji Yeon. To recap my question: How did last n ight's episode inspire you to quit the show and not Eggtown? Either answer my last question or don't. Don't try to pretend that I don't get your argument - that's not my point of contention. My point is that last night did nothing to change Aaron's storyline so how did it cause such a reaction in you?
JD-
are you serious? I guess you must be because you keep attempting this.
I waited until last night's episode to make the decision that LOST sucks because until last night's episode there was a possibility that one of the O6 could be someone other than Aaron (and I will not reiterate my argument as to why I think that is lame because JD I have already argued this, and quite frankly I am boring and annoying mySELF with this). Because we have been told numerous times that until last night's episode there would be no confirmation of who the six were.
I didn't realize that you didn't know that.
meh.
why all this fuss about things we haven't seen yet and we don't even know if we'll ever get to see!!
for the moment this is what we know about the Oceanic 6, this is what we've seen, Dark confirms it, raymond posted a great explain, and the writers surely await for us down the corner with lots of surprises, just like they keep doing during the past 4 years
Honestly there are so many more important issues to resolve in Lost that I really don't care at all who ANY of the O6 are. There is clearly a reason they want to go back. If Jin is alive on the island or was one of the O6 who cares? Who got off the island is completely meaningless. They couldn't leave Sun on the island and have her survive, so if they wanted to keep her in the show she had to be one of them.
Who is still standing at the end of the very last show, is another story.
So they find a woman who's been on an island for however many months, has given birth there without any of the conveniences of modern medicine, and NO one would check her out? Just weird is all
Here's how Kate gets to keep Aaron even though she was a fugitive.
From the trial we already saw, it is clear that the story that the adult O5 came up with has Kate as a HUGE HERO. Remember the "wreckage" was found about 2 months after they crashed, so everyone thought everyone on the plane died.
So, when the 6 survivors get rescued and the media hear this story how Kate rescued everyone and (I'm guessing here) DELIVERED CLAIRE'S BABY RIGHT BEFORE SHE DIED, and then told the media how Claire said to Kate right before she died "Please swear you will take care of my baby, Kate!!"... well, then who in their right mind who wanted to ever get re-elected would take away Aaron before her trial?!?!?!
Thank you... now quit whining about it... it's not that big of a deal.
ugg you say this makes it soapoperish to discuss this plot line in future shows when just weeks ago everyones like wonder when jack finds out bout clare n aaron lol peeps cant decide what they want half the time and i dont thk it will be soapoPREISH,its good to see if they finally found out now soapoperaish would be okay so ur my bro and hes ur nephew oh wait our real dad is....ben lmao that would be soapish.lets just watch and see how its handled as for the fetis thingy aaron was on the palne and most consider a child a baby after 5 months so he wa there he just got to fly coach in mommys tummy lol.i dont thk peeps shld get so upset wait n see how it will be handled before judging.
I dont think clair has the chance to ask kate I think sonmthing bad happens to clair on the way to the boat dez did tell charlie that he saw her got on the chopper with aaron. So im thinking on that trip to the boat (in the chopper) Jake,Kate,clair,Someone from the boat and aaron clair has a accident or foul play because Jake in the FF want no part of seeing Aaron if clair just gave aaron to kate and asked her to take of him I would not think Jake would be so Freaked about it, But if Clair falls or get pushed from the chopper that would really screw with Jake not being able to save her. Just my yhoughts on it
Well Sublime is certainly over-reacting to this aaron business. Sure, it might lead to some lame baby-related stuff but hey, there is a lot more to our story here.
But I *still* think/hope aaron is not the 6th.
Reasons!
1) (as stated previously) It just bugs me that EVERY other Oceanic 6 has been identified as such during an episode. Sayid golfing... Sun in hospital... Kate in court etc...
2) No way can Kate pass this kid off as hers. How big was claires belly on that plane? How old is that kid now? Don't you agree this would be a hard con to pass?
3) Babies are lame. Yes, i'm sure aaron will play a role in the future and be symbolic and all that. But I don't think the writers are going to put us through much more of claire's "WHERES MY BAY BEE!
/cross fingers
OK so uh, my tongue has pretty much consistantly been in my cheek this entire discussion. I mean, I don't want Aaron to be one of the 06-because as daniel said so perfectly babies are LAME- but much of my tone has been TONGUE IN CHEEK...
Didn't read through all the comments, so sorry if this was already said, but I thought I'd mention that lostpedia has added Aaron to their Oceanic 6 list:
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Oceanic_6
sublime: sorry to call you out once more, but here goes.
What people have been trying to say to you is that it makes no difference who the Oceanic 6 are. If Aaron is off the island, he is off the island and that story line will be addressed regardless. So this "argument" seems to be going in circles. It makes no real difference to me how you feel, but its in my nature to solve problems, so again, sorry for continuing to bring it up. So maybe what you should be saying is that you don't think Aaron should have made it off the island Period. I, like you, hope the writers don't go down the common-daddy road w/ Claire and Jack, but I personally don't think it is necessary. We all know Jack's personality by now and he doesn't need to know Aaron is his nephew to act all guilty and weird about him off-island.
I agree with whoever posted earlier that this whole "Oceanic 6" business seems more like a "save the cheerleader" device to keep people watching. I only watched 1-3 on DVD so I don't know if this sort of device was used in past seasons.
Also, it is odd that the other 5 were revealed in character-centric episodes, but if Aaron is one of the 6 its not like we could have the flashforward of a 2month-old! :)
Sorry so long.
Ok, so Aaron is one of the oceanic 6. I am willing to concede that. But then can someone please explain how Kate is awarded custody of the child when she is a wanted criminal for 3 counts of murder/manslaughter, armed robbery, grand theft auto and was then retained without bail(by the state of california, which also makes no sense since technically she should have been prosecuted in a federal court as she committed mutiple crimes acrossed state lines along with the bank robbery which is a federal crime.) There is no way they are going to sell me that claire wanted kate to have the baby and everyone just said"ok". It just would not make sense. Especially being such a high profile case, the media would definetly want to know who would be awarded custody of the orphan child. The weird thing is if they actually did the research and assuming that aarons father could not be found, medical records would show that Jack, being the babys uncle and next closest relative would probably be granted custody. It just doesn't make sense. I just have this feeling, that with how bad the writing on the court scene was, that this story of how Kate ends up with Aaron is going to be just as stupid. I generally think the writing on this show is spot on but the Flash Forward Kate Court and Aaron story just makes no sense.
I'm thinking Kate is saying Aaron is her kid, not someone else's that she "swore" to take care of because Kate's mom sure seemed to think it was her grandchild and wanted to see him. And would she have done that if it was just someone else's kid that Kate was raising? Maybe a regular mom, but not one with a past like her's and Kate's. Just my opinion. I'm not big on counting Aaron as one of the 6, but I'll keep riding along to see where they take me.
The ONLY way Kate can believably have that kid is if they claimed it's biologically hers. If they pull some "Claire gave me him" crap... I think they're smarter than that. Despite the horrible court scenes. Screwed up jurisdiction is one thing. Legally gifting children via hearsay is a whole other level of ludicrous.
I feel there can only be this explanation. Many people feel that Aaron looks like he is atleast 2-3 years old when we see him after kates trial. What if they hid Aaron when the got rescued and Kate pretended to be preggers when she got rescued. They paid off doctors and other media outlets to tell stories that Kate had a baby a few months after returning home. Just another coverup in the web of lies that they are all telling. This would support the following
1. Why everyone thinks that Aaron is Kates Child
2. Why Kate still has custody of the child while awaiting a trial
3. And it would allow there still to be another oceanic 6 to be revealed.
This is the best explanation I can come up with. I'm not really trying to solve who the oceanic 6 are, i am more trying to solve why everyone thinks this is Kates child.
Also its not like coverups are not already part of the story...they are lying about everything else so why not this too. By the looks of it, Kate has the money to preform such a cover up. Or maybe its Widmore, Abbadon or Ben who is creating the cover up about the true mother of baby Aaron.
also it looks like aaron is added to lostpedia with a question mark next to his name.
@lostfan23 & Mary - I was just about to come on and post about this, and lostfan23, you honestly posted about word for word what I was gonna write. Anyway, there is no possible way that Kate would get awarded custody of Aaron. She's a fugitive murderer for one. Two, Claire's Aunt, as far as we know is alive and well in Australia, and like lostfan23 said, there would be a record of Christian Shephard being Claire's father. They could come up with whatever story they want, and there's no way that could would end up with Kate.
I'm guessing they are gonna somehow say Kate was pregnant. I have problems with this as well, but don't feel like getting into it. I'm guessing this, because Kate's mother was so adament about seeing her grandson. I don't think she would have felt as strongly if she knew it wasn't Kate's biological son.
Overall, I don't have a problem with Aaron being part of the O6, but I think I might have a problem with how they explain it. Still love LOST, still think it's the best show on t.v., but hope they clear this up logically.
In Kate's trial, Jack says that 8 of them survived the crash but 2 didn't survive long enough to make it off the island. I doubt Aaron would be counted if he was in anyone's uterus at that point, and if they are trying to pull it off that he was already born, then how would a month or so old baby swim ashore after the plane crashed in the water. I don't get this.
This should have been posted in the spoiler section, not the homepage. Maybe there are still a few of us who would like to enjoy the show. Anyway, the statement is without any source, so it surely belongs to spoilers.
Does anyone think that perhaps Jin is n't really dead, but instead when he left the island he had problems and got stuck in another time, ie...only 2 months after he got married and Sun is in the present or future and thus Jin is dead in her time?
I have a new theory that's very complicated to explain, but simple in my mind. Let's look at some facts first so you can see where I'm going with this one.
1. There is time travel involved. Though the Losties don't know it yet, or understand it fully yet, there IS time travel involved.
2. The flash forwards indicate the Losties are lying about what happened. Jack said only 8 survived and 2 died later, Kate is claiming Aaron as her own, and so forth.
3. Jack wants to "go back" and so does Hurley.
4. We are supposed to now know who the Oceanic Six are.
5. Jin is NOT one of the Oceanic Six as his tombstone says he died the day the plane crashed, another lie.
Okay, so for me this tells me everything, I believe, I need to know. First off, Aaron is definitely an Oceanic Six. Jack said there were six passengers that survived and because Aaron is there, he is lying saying Aaron was a passenger. It doesn't matter why because we don't know why they have to lie about how many survived it anyway. The why factor isn't at play here. What is at play is that Aaron HAS to be an Oceanic Six passenger.
Have we heard Jack or Hurley literally say they want to go back to the island? We've just heard "go back". I believe that they want to go back in time and fix things. I believe Jack's guilt is directly related to that. Jack by then would know about time travel. Jack's character would definitely feel guilty if he knew there was a way to go back in time and fix things, and did not actually do just that.
Then there's the wreckage found for flight 815. What if, and this is less certain in my opinion, but what if those are the new passengers of flight 815? Let's say that Jack did go back and fix everything, so that everyone who was on that original flight, for whatever reason, didn't make it to the airport. Remember how all of them were in a hurry or having problems getting on? What if the second time around they didn't actually get on and those found in the wreckage are the ones who took their place?
It seems to fit together neatly. Am I wrong here?
This is the funniest thread up to date.
People know of the Lost storyline. Hehe.
And yes, it's definately a spoiler. Do people still enjoy that?
Eh, I think this is much ado about nothing. The whole Aaron angle was going to have to be eventually dealt with. That was always a fact.
I'm more inclined to believe that Aaron has a destiny that ties in with the island. My crackpot idea from awhile back was that Aaron and Walt were somehow destined to be Ben and Richard's replacements on the island, but with Locke acting as their surrogate in the interim. That probably doesn't hold true anymore, but there's a lot of things they can do outside of "soap-operaish" storylines. Remember, if we work on the assumption that Aaron wants to go back (as everyone is assuming all the O-6 want to go back), it could certainly be about his mom, but it could also deal directly with the island needing a next generation of protectors.
I accept (for now) that Aaron is one of the O6, and that DOESN'T mean that the adult O5 have to claim he was born before the crash. (Thanks to Raymond for a great explanation above, which shouldn't have been necessary!)
I have NO idea how Kate can claim Aaron as her biological son. As FrizzieLizzie wrote above, this requires acceptance of a very pregnant Kate pulling survivors out of the water. Also, how is it possible that Kate was very pregnant while in custody of the marshal (as she would have had to have been), but nobody else in law enforcement knew about it? A pregnant Kate seems like something the marshal should have included in his reports to his superiors -- and since he didn't, it's a rather suspect claim. Also there must be other witnesses who can vouch for the fact that Kate was not showing in the hours, days & weeks before boarding Flight 815.
So, we fall back on Kate winning custody of Aaron, though he was born to another (initial) survivor. Also pretty unlikely, as others have pointed out, given Kate's fugitive status.
I think the writers have created a bit of a mess here, and I fear the explanation (to the extent eventually given) will be pretty unsatisfactory.
Oh, and regarding Jin:
It's very possible he's alive on the island, and that Hurley & Sun went to visit his 'grave' -- which is really just a memorial marker, placed after a 'for show' funeral -- to keep up the illusion that Jin's dead. This is consistent with the secret-keeping behaviors of the O6. So is the marker's date of death - 9/22/04.
Hello,
I think it is crazy that this argument even exists in the first place and rediculous that some people would refrain from watching lost because of it!
That being said i think its clear to everyone that aaron can't be part of the 06 because hurley bought two seats therefore classes as two passengers and therfore two of the 06!! comeon guys it soooo obvious :P
Noooooo Aaron? Boooo
My last 2 cents...
I understand how some people can be deceived about the fact that Aaron is one of the Oceanic 6. But Season 5 won't be only simply about them. They will show simultaneously (I guess) the Losties on and off the Island. So we need interesting plots in both sides... IMO, it works better if we have Locke, Sawyer, Michael, Claire, and perhaps Jin on the Island. Specially since we know Ben is off... which reduces considerably the plots.
I think it's a matter of ballance.
Now that I'm totally spoiled, let me go watch Ji Yeon, at last =)
I think the bigger question now is: Who's in the coffin?
It's not any of the Oceanic Six. There'd be a crowd of people at the viewing if it was one of them.
It's not Locke. He's still on the island.
Which only leaves Michael & Ben. My guess is Michael for three reasons: He fits the bill (no family, no friends, under an identity no one knows him as, estranged from Walt, etc.) of the scenario. Secondly, Ben seems to have such extreme importance in the future, and will likely be there 'til the very end of the series. Last, for Jack to find Ben through a newspaper article when people like Charles Widmore are searching for his ass seems a bit absurd.
So, my two cents: MICHAEL IS IN THE COFFIN!
"OMG Aaron's one of the six!! That's it! This show is stupid! I'm not watching it anymore cuz I'm a big baby!"
How can you not see how absurd you're acting?
I think that Aaron is NOT one of the Oceanic six, simply because of what Jack declared at Kate's trial:
"Only EIGHT of us SURVIVED THE CRASH. We landed in the water. I was hurt pretty badly. In fact, if it weren't for her, I would have never made it to the shore.
She took care of me. She took care of all of us. She gave us first aid, water, found food, made shelter. She TRIED TO SAVE THE OTHER TWO, but they didn't..."
Now, that means that if Aaron is one of the Oceanic Six, he would have been born by the time of the crash... so how could they possibly explain Aaron's age at the time of Kate's trial? They couldn't. So I think Aaron is NOT one of the SIX, and I think that noone in the world except Kate's lawyer, nanny and the Oceanic Six themselves know that Kate has a son. That's why she didn't agree with her lawyer when he wanted to show the baby at the trial.
Now the question for me is "Who's the sixth Oceanic Six?". According to what the actress who plays Sun has said in many interviews (not to mention what authors said themselves), by Sun's episode, the seventh, we would find out who all the Oceanic six were. So, if Jin is confirmed dead in the crash, as his gravestone says, I think there are only few possibilities left : one is that he's Michael. He was on the manifest, he could come back, onsidering that he's possibly Ben's mole on the boat, and so he has his favour. Desmond would be nice, but he's not on the manifest, so he should have taken another identity in order to come back. Juliet is the other possible survivor, and she could have taken the identity of a passenger herself. I had thought of Claire's identity, but she's too much younger than Juliet to be good as a theory.
wow sublime how can that ruin the whole plot if all your talking about is jack being the babies half uncle....you are ridiculous...and if Lost is "crap" why are you on this website...go watch pro wrestling...i mean with Jin as one of the 6 there would be less mystery then if Aaron is one of the 6 ...the bigger question is...is Jins body in the grave....seeing as how they said they wouldnt recover the remains from the crash....that makes it great that he isnt there so get over it and leave this website if you don't like Lost....also it makes no sense how something like this could make you hate a show you've liked for years...you must be wat us sports fans like to call...a fair weather fan
Ir remember, that after revealing O6, there was a snippet that there is an "additional member", who is not included.
That is not true now?
also if you don't like it your entitled to your opinion but to make bold comments that a show sucks because its not what you wanted is LAME
I cannot believe all the discussion on this Oceanic 6 thing!
I think it's completely obvious that Aaron was not on the flight manifest on 815, and that is no way he can be one of the Oceanic 6.
Period.
chris, totally agreed:)
I'm more convinced that Aaron is one of the 6 than I am that Sayid is. All we really have is his own word for it, and a really strange reaction from the guy he told (whom he then killed).
Also, I think Jin is really dead. daniel had some driving problems last year, and that's the kiss of death on this show.
I can't believe how little faith people have in the writers. They almost always surprise and take us in unexpected directions. To think that some of you have it all figured out, and may stop watching the show based on who the Oceanic 6 are is a little presumptuous. The comments about heading in a soap opera ish direction and that the writers have made a mess.... are with little imagination.
Also, anything is possible regarding Aaron and Kate... seriously, someone/some organization was able to create a wreckage site with 324 dead people..... I think a dna report could be faked, dr's reports as well..
Sorry I'm not buying Aaron as a member of O6. How about Jack's testimony in Kate's trial? He said there were 8 who survived, something happened to two of them ....
How come an unborn child can be counted as a survivor as of the crash date? Only explanation of Aaron as a member of O6 is that O6 is a media term used for the people who are rescued and brought to off-Island world. But then who is the 6th person in Jack's story?
i am totally shaking my head at the people who claim they passionately dislike soap opera stuff, yet their posts are so very soap opera-ish. yanno, melodramatic, over-the-top...that sort of thing. LOST is a soap, imo.
(oh my. i've slaughtered another sacred cow.)
the only difference betwen LOST and other 'soaps' is subject matter, excellent actors, and damn good writing.
LOST has steered clear of the over-the-top melodrama, imo BUT the storyline is no more far fetched than any storyline in any soap i've watched. and i've watched quite a few on and off for 35 years.
let's see...possible evil twins, time travel, people back from the dead, ghosts, being stuck on a deserted island, stolen diamonds, daddy issues, unwed mothers, criminal on the run, con man, betrayal, murder...heck, the plane crash itself! and i just remembered another! the whole 'lock folks up in a cage' has been done on days of our lives at least twice in my memory.
ben is completely the typical soap villain. i think i'm going to start calling him stefano dimera. the power, control, money, telling people who they can and cannot 'be' with, kidnapping, brainwashing.
oh crap! and another think i just remembered! stefano, no kidding, had a freaking submarine he used to get him around to do his evil deeds. that's when hope and steffi had 'sub sex.' grossed a LOT of people out.
i'm thinking darlton must watch DOOL.
i am amused...thoroughly amused...by the high falutin' attitude of so many LOST watchers. i enjoy the soap for what it is...a well done serialized show. that's why i never want to miss it.
:::amending my above post since there is no 'edit' button:::
LOST isn't that different in subject matter...just good writing and great acting.
I personally do not care if Aaron is one of the 6. It makes (LOST) logical sense. The term Oceanic 6 was created by the media. We all know how they love to label things way out of proportion. Let's see (Decision 2008) (Winter Storm of 2006). Since they are including Aaron, and yes I believe Dark, this can take one part of the story to a whole new level. I am not talking about the soap opera level, I am talking about time. People above have said "How can Kate have a baby when she wasn't even showing?" We still do not know how long the world thinks they were on the island. Hell, the losties may not even correctly know. Here is my proof, Aaron was around 2 in Eggtown. He was around 3 months when we saw him last on the island. That is a difference of 21 months. Ok, if they were rescued within a month of the freighter coming, why would they wait 20 months to finally put Kate in jail. She was an escaped fiugitive, she would have been in jail from the get go. She wouldn't have had time to buy a house, find a nanny, decorate.....please. It is a time thing. We are trying to talk about LOST in our belief in time. It is not the same.....IMO!
I am not one of the one's who cannot accept the fact that Aaron is on the of 6. That is fine. But then they need a really really really good explanation as to why Kate is the baby's mother. Because that is what the real world believes. Kate is Aarons mother. Kates mom wants to see her "grandson". She thinks its her blood. I just feel that my THEORY(not spoiler like ionem suggested)posted above is the only way they can explain this and make it believable. As I said, I think the writing on Lost is the best i have ever seen in a TV show. But the whole trial thing(trial in the State court of Cali, Defense calling a witness before the prosecution has a chance to call its star witness, Kate wanting to take the stand...none of those things would ever happen)was the worst writing i've seen on the show to date. And if they want to say that Kate was awarded custody, then it would just make no sense at all.
I am also somewhat disappointed that Aaron is a part of the oceanic 6.
Sublime Lazy is entitled to have an opinion as we all are. I don't see why it would be ridiculous for Sublime Lazy to no longer want to watch the show because it is going in a path that Sublime Lazy does not like or finds fault with. That is what happens with a lot of shows. People often describe things that they do not like as something that sucks. However i will still watch the LOST because is arguably the best show ever on network tv.
I do also agree that the whole debate on the who are the real oceanic 6 should be put to rest on the next pod cast. I know the promo said the last o6 would be revealed but again those are not done by Lost, they are promos created by ABC. I'm just going to have a hard time believing either of the two explanations that come with Aaron being one of the six and those are
1. Kate was traveling back to the states with her child
2. Kate was told by the dieing mother to take care of her baby.
Those are the only 2 explanations that could come with why Aaron is one of the 6 and why Kate is the babys "mother". If anyone has a better explantion of how both of those things are possible, than please tell me. Remember if the story is going to be that Kate was preggers while on island and the child was born off island, then the child could not be one of the 6...like Ji Yeon.
Well unless they perform a cover up that says kate was preggers when arrested and she gave birth while on island, but then Jacks story about Kate rescuing the other 7 would be hard to believe that a 9 month pregnet women could perform all that. Don't they have a hard enought time to sit down and get up??? Pulling bodies out of the water would seem a stretch. To me anyway.
those which are adamant Aaron CAN NOT be a member of O6 for whatever reason need to listen to the podcasts on abc.com
lostfan23- She wouldn't have to be 9 months pregnant.
Heck, all the "Jack said this on trial..." is really pretty much irrelevant, anyway. They clearly made him out to be totally full of bull all around. I wouldn't be surprised if he just screwed up on the "8 and then 2 died" comments and "Kate rescued people" stuff. He does act like he believes all the bull and is getting to be sloppy in his lies. That's probably why Kate cut him off, she heard him screwing it all up.
When does the dang podcast come out, anyway? The site has a video podcast dated 3/13 but nothing loads for me. ???
All that matters is who made it off and who didn't. In the grand scheme of things who gets dubbed an Oceanic 6 matters almost zilch.
As for Jin, if the date on that tombstone really is September 22,2004, he's a part of the Oceanic lie.
So, he's still on the island likely alive. However, Sun was pretty choked up... she would have no reason to cry unless she knew she could probably never go back and misses him.
OurMutualFriend:
I think the reason some people think it's ridiculous for Sublime to stop watching because Aaron is one of the O6 is that they are complaining about a storyline that hasn't even started yet!
This is probably the most pathetic argument/discussion ever.
That's my opinion on the subject.
Aaron is not one of the Oceanic 6. It's Michael.
Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, and Michael.
You guys are crazy arguing if Aaron isnt apart of the OC6 just because he wasnt born yet.
The term Oceanic 6 is obviously a media coined term. Do you really think the media is going to let a little fact that he was in the womb and not actually born by the planes liftoff stop them from saying what they want to make a good 6 oclock news hook. Its obvious six souls were rescued off the island and the term Oceanic 6 was given in some quick news room meeting and they went with it.
The bigger question is how did they pass off Aaron as being Kates, not how technically work Aaron being an OC6 is
chris,
Thats exactly what i am saying. I don't care whether he is or isn't, I have a problem with how they are going to pass him off as Kates son. It just so happens that however they explain that could also answer if he was or wasn't. Just saying that part of the lie, it would seem, is that Kate is Aarons mother. And I'm not really sure how they can explain that story. I will trust that they know what they are doing because they have not failed to disapoint yet. Its not crazy to think that they want you to think one thing and then suprise us with something else down the road like michael is really the other 6.
I guess if all that is true, then we will learn it all when the expose the coverup to us.
So how is this confirmed?
Are we forgetting the person in the coffin? Or is that going to be someone not from the flight? Maybe Desmond... or one of the frieghter crew?
Someone said something about the official lost podcast on Abc-I can't find it on their site-does anyone have a link? Every time I click it over there at their site it takes me to a page that says it no longer exists.
I've been waiting for that podcast!
THX!
sublime i think dark has it posted in the spoilers section
nope. not there.
Yeah... if anything. The Oceanic 6 are not "confirmed"
The fact that we've been arguing this for a couple days now attests to that.
WHile Aaron still sucks, I have to say this:
Mostly my tone, as I've said several times now, has been tongue in cheek.
You all really think I'm that upset, huh?!
awesome.
Look up what it means to be tongue in cheek-also you might want to read all the posts before responding-because I have said several times already that the tone I'm using has been in jest and yet still a bunch of you are responding by calling me a baby, telling me I'm over reacting, and that I'm ridiculous. Since I've made my point pretty clear, and since I've also said tongue in cheek several times, I'm going to leave it up to you all to decide...
peace.
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=podcast
i believe in the Feb. 28th audio podcast the producers evade answering a question about Aaron's eligibility to be a member of the Oceanic 6. Nothing up yet for this past epi (except the video interviewing Harold P.).
Thanks abigail. I'm really looking forward to the one regarding this epi... but this will suffice for now!
no prob, they are great. i'm positive they will confirm the 6 in the next one. they aren't interested in toying us around (so they say).
Yeah, it's not why he's one of the Oceanic 6, the question is how they passed it off. Think about how big of a deal the media would make of a baby surviving the crash. I'm sure when Kate was rescuing people, etc., she left the baby in the care of Jack or someone else, and the story is probably that Aaron was an infant when the plane crashed. I'm sure there are cops out there who would know whether or not Kate was pregnant at the time of her arrest, and I think Aaron looked about 2 in the flashforward and the writers said we'd see the Oceanic 6 get rescued at the end of the season. Obviously, whatever made Walt look older probably has something to do with why Aaron had rapid aging and therefore could be passed off as a kid Kate had pre-crash. Maybe Ray Mullen thought the kid was with someone else or he'd now dead. And the marshal, who's the only other person very knowledgeable about her past, is dead, too. So anything is passable, whether they said she had Aaron already or was pregnant. I'm surprised that the Oceanic folks don't remember her either having a kid or being pregnant.
Totally agree with raymond above.
Aaron, Kate and Co. might be completely left out of the story from here on out, so it wouldn't suck at all for all of the "soap opera" haters. I think the story will rather follow the plight of the losties that remain on the island, and only return to the O6 when they figure out how to get back.
Sorry I did not read all the posts and stopped at the beginning when Raymond answered to Confused Lost Reader...
Oceanic 6 are survivors of the plane and a term used by the media, ok, I agree. I might even agree Aaron is an O6 survivors at some point, but at the time of the crash, Aaron was NOT born. I think that's what people who does not believe he is an O6 are trying to point out. I think what lacks in the explanation is that, according to Jack, there was 8 false O6. 2 of them died. Claire might be one of these 2 fakes so Aaron would be counted as an O6 since she was the only pregnant (and almost to give birth) on the plane, so the only plausible answer to make Aaron an O6.
Whatever Carlton and Cuse say, I don't believe much anymore.
Since I don't like to complicate things, I'll take the Jack-Kate-Hurley-Sayid-Sun-Aaron explanation... with a BIG doubt on Aaron - Kate keeps saying her child, blabla. It's obvious it is not hers and she should have said she adopted it. Of course, how long did they stay 'lost' to the world? We don't know. Etc, etc, etc. Questions never stops and I learned to NEVER assume something out of anything that comes from anyone on Lost without proofs. Hah.
@ geej
"Kate keeps saying her child, blabla. It's obvious it is not hers and she should have said she adopted it."
If Kate would say she adopted Aaron he would have been taken away 100 percent. Either she needs valuable adoptionpapers - no way - he´s too young and it´s obvious he wasn´t born before the crash. Or if she says she adopted him from Claire, someone from Claires family (aunt?) would be the legitimated custodian.
what if Ben got the papers for Kate? he has no probably faking a crash and obtaining 300+ bodies.
a few adoption papers are not going to be difficult for a man with these resources.
I agree with commentators above who point out that when Jack is telling the story on trial, he does suggest that there were eight human beings (not seven, one pregnant) in the water, and that six of those eight survived (not five, one pregnant, later to have a baby on island.)
And I don't agree with the fact that Jack was "messing up" the story on the stand. It was the standard O6 lie. He's told it a hundred times since the rescue.
Also, it's totally possible that the media could have dubbed the Oceanic 6 without taking the baby into account. POSSIBLE. Maybe not ideal. But possible. That being said, if we don't "buy" that, then here's a theory about Kate and Aaron, although it's kind of loosely hanging together:
Is it possible that Kate could be claiming that she had a baby before she was taken into custody by the Marshall, while she was in hiding, on the run?? If the O6 "rescued" themselves, then they could potentially hide Aaron, so no one would ever know he even came off the island. And, then Kate could claim that she already had him before her arrest. Perhaps before the O6 announce themselves to the world, Kate (or Kate and whoever's in charge of the 06 lie) goes back to Aus, finds someone -- maybe Ray Mullens? -- and pays him/her/them a lot of money to pretend that Kate gave the baby to them so that she could turn herself in. Or, alternatively, maybe she gets her Dad to cover for her, saying HE took the baby while she was turning herself in? THEN, after she implements a cover about where Aaron has been hiding, here's what Kate's story might be, announced to the world upon her return from the island. "Right before the Marshall found me, when I was on the run... I fell in love... then I found out I pregnant... so I ran again...to Australia. Once I had the baby, I realized I couldn't run anymore, but I also didn't want the baby to end up in a media frenzy. So, as I was dodging authorities running from continent to continent, I met an older man/family/my dad in Australia who hid me for a while and took care of me and my baby, and then told me he'd/they/etc take care of Aaron so that I could turn myself in and face the consequences of my actions. Unfortunately, as the world now knows, my plane crashed, and I ended up on the island. All I could think about was getting home to my son. Upon my return, I revealed to the world that I had had a son while I was on the run, and I went to pick him up in Australia from Ray/ from my dad/ whomever to prove that I did have a son hidden away. It has been so wonderful to have him back in my arms after such a terrible ordeal as surviving that plane crash. Now I will face the consequences of my previous actions."
Okay, it's crazy, but it makes MORE sense then saying that a baby who wasn't on the plane was born on island to KATE. That just doesn't work out time wise.
Blah.... it's just a theory to try to explain Kate's claim of Aaron. It's the most bothersome mystery of the whole show to me right now. also weird is: why doesn't Jack want to see the baby in the Eggtown flash forwards???
lize said:
why doesn't Jack want to see the baby in the Eggtown flash forwards???
Maybe Jack is claiming to be the father (after all, there would be plenty of DNA markers shared with Aaron, he's his uncle). Perhaps Kate says Aaron was conceived by Jack and her shortly after arriving on the island (they'd have to fake his birthdate). Remember the attorney asking whether Jack still loved her? They obviously made public some kind of romance between them, and then a falling out. I think for Jack it is just too painful to see his son/nephew under those circumstances.
lize none of your theories work if Aaron is indeed one of the O6'ers
I think we're all probably making it more complex than it needs to be. I don't think any amount of detail or thought is going to go into this; it's going to be considered kate's kid, and that's that.
I agree with a lot of you out there- I don't think Aaron counts, especially since the world thinks he's Kate's... in my head this means that Kate doesn't get off the island for quite a while, or the time thing explains how she could have been pregnant and given birth. And I do think they revealed the last of the O6 this episode- the last 2 are Sun and Michael. And it's Michael in the coffin that Jack visits.
I see a bunch of people talking about the ABC Podcast for this week. Cuse and Lindelof aren't doing one this week, but they will be doing one after next week's episode before the break. They mentioned this on the last podcast they did, and it was also mentioned on the new one this week.
i would have to say that 100% aaron is not one of the six. if you remember, jack said at the trial that '8 of us survived the crash, kate tried to save the other 2...' well, aaron wasnt on the plane so how could he have survived the crash? if we were meant to believe claire survived and she saved claire's baby then wouldnt jack have said something like '8 of us survived the crash and 3 died, but kate managed to save the one pregnant woman's baby'?? aaron being one of the six just makes absolutely no sense
Gosh sublime
Personally I can't see how Aaron being one of the O6 or not makes the slightest difference on how much the writers will focus on him. If they were going to focus on him they would do so no matter whether he was included or excluded from the O6.
I can't see how giving a character a 'label' makes any odds. If what you are really worried about is Aaron driving some plot, well, I'd wait and see before making a judgement, but if he is, its because the writers intended that all along and not because he is one of the O6.
Like everything in life, Lost needs perspective. I couldn't enjoy the parts of the show I loved if I got hung up on the things I didnt (I hate Jack, and he is ALWAYS driving the plot) If I were you I would accept that there is gonna be stuff you dont like and enjoy the bits you do.
ps I realise you are saying you are talking tongue and cheek but its still clear you would hate the plot line and I'm just saying, dont take it for guaranteed. Aaron might not be that important.
TJ thanks for that about the Podcast, I figured it out (eventually!) but thanks all the same.
yeah, that was my point... i don't think he a 6er. I was trying to think of a way that can be possible. just trying to think outside the proverbial box...
yeah the producers "surprised" us with last week's podcast. too bad we have to wait.
For those that are not interested now that Aaron is one of the 6 because the plotlines will mostly be about them. Why would you think that, the show isn't all the sudden going to be mostly off island and only about those 6, that would just not make sense to think that. The show has always been about the island, it will still be about those 6 and the ones still on the island and what is going on there. Aaron being one of the 6 I think is really insignifficant to the story. Why is it hard to beleive that part of the "lie is claire died after giving birth, she wanted Kate to take care of him is she died"?
From the quote of the great movie Summer Camp with Bill Murray, "It just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter...."
To make this even clearer (or confuse people even more):
If Juliet, Ben, Rousseau or even the black friggin' monster had been "rescued" from the island, they'd too be part of the "Oceanic 6", or "7", or "8".
The media in the Lost universe have dubbed every survivor of the event as part of the "Oceanic Event". They were six, thus they are the "Oceanic Six".
It's not math or logic.
Why can't Aaron count as one of the six? Claire was pregnant with him when the plane crashed. Now, explaining how Aaron survived and then how Kate ended up with him is a different story. Remember, the story is 8 survived the crash, and 2 died later. Maybe Claire was one of those 2 after she gave birth to Aaron. Still, I don't get how Kate ends up with him if she was a fugitive. I don't see how they can tell people it is Kate's baby when she was not pregnant and it seems they get off the island before she would have time to get pregnant and have a baby.
And I thought Carlton and Damon said it doesn't really matter WHO the Oceanic 6 are.
Actually the black smoke monster could be one of the O6 because we know it can disguise itself as anyone it wants (Eko's brother, Jack's father, Juliette's shrink). How cool would that be if the BSM went around terrorizing the real world! The reason Jack and Hurley need to "get back" to lure the monster into following them, thus saving the rest of humanity.
Dear Darkufo, do you think its possible that your info is wrong about Aaron being an O6er?
i just don't want it to be so cut and dry.
and it makes me real sad.
Why does it bother so many people that Aaron is one of the O6? It's not as interesting? How can you possibly know that?
Rodimus,
I don't KNOW that... I just don't like kids on tv-particularly little kids (toddlers) I FEEL that it makes for REALLY boring TV... and the whole (even if it doesn't pan out exactly like this)Kate/Jack/Baby story just BORES ME TO F***ing tears... with Aaron as one of the O6 that means we at least have to see the drama surrounding his rescue and blah blah blah... I don't KNOW any of this... it's merely my opinion... babies on TV SUCK...
IMHO...
I shouldn't even be on this site right now. Damn you LOST, DAMN YOU TO HELL... (I'm mid finals week right now...ugh)
peace and love-even to you fools who LIKE aaron LOL
personally, i think the story line would be even better if Aaron stayed with Claire because the psychic told her SHE had to raise him or bad stuff would happen, then Kate ends up being pregnant with Sawyers son, and through some sort of change in Island/non-island time rift business, she names her age appropriate son Aaron, after the only baby who ever brought out the motherly instinct in her.
but really, i just like Claire with Aaron, and i have some animosity toward Kate, and would rather not see Kate raise Claires baby. i think Charlie comes back and the three of them live happily ever after.
and yeah, i am aware its not real life......
lol...Sara
Yes, We want the Disney version of Lost called "Found', where there is never any conflict . All they do every week is discuss (not argue) cookbook recipes and do basket weaving. If smokie shows up, the characters recieive x-mas gifts.
zzz.... : )
i know..... lol!
I don't care if Aaron is one of the six; however, it doesn't make sense, especially since everyone believes Aaron is kate's biological child. They obviously didn't tell everyone he was born prior to the flight and not on the manifest because he was riding on Mommy's lap. given his age, being born before the flight would be believable, people go into labor early all the time and kate was on the run, so she may have had a child no one knew about - But the agent would have needed to include in his report that he was bringing in a minor with kate and he didn't (unless the report was doctored later by whoever planted the other plane with the dead passengers)- so they couldn't have told everyone Aaron was born before the flight - if they're telling everyone Aaron was born after the crash and the good doctor delivered him and forged the birth certificate this also doesn't make sense- because 8 people survived the flight and 2 died - that leaves one unaccounted for survivor. So they're either a- telling everyone Aaron was born before the flight or b- there's another survivor
now i could be wrong but I thought the writers said this season was about who gets off the island and why they want to go back. leaving some family members on the island, especially when small children (aaron and Sun's baby) are involved may be motive enough to want to go back. i think those who aren't a part of the 6 couldn't come back because of the lack of a constant & exposure to intense magnetic pulses (when the hatch blew - kate, hurley, jack, & sayid weren't there so weren't exposed) - sun i believe is using her ring as her constant. I'm not sure what baby Aaron's constant would be. do you suppose his flashes take him back to the womb? and maybe that's part of why they need to go back to the island because they need claire as his constant in order for Aaron to survive? But I think the other survivors are either dead (because they tried to come back and couldn't), in a medical facility, or most likely still on the island and sayid and ben are trying to keep the island secret so other well meaning people don't attempt to rescue them
Really? Everyone believes that Aaron is Kate's biological child? Am I watching the same show as everyone else? I didn't think that was established. I know they said "kate's son, your son, my grandson" and so on... but I didn't think the biological part was brought up at all. If a child is adopted, no one goes around saying "your adopted son"... they would merely say "your son". Then again, I don't even know anymore if I'm watching the same show as everyone else...
And we won't get resolution to this for at least another month...