Update: 30th Nov 08:42 As G-Man mentioned we missed some points for Rousseau. The Tables and Charts are now up to date with the newly corrected scores.
Introduction
Hey gang! Here we are once again to find out how the latest episode of our Hiatus League has faired for you all. It's been a busy two weeks but I'm never too busy for my fellow Lost fans.
For this week, we watched episode 3x19 "The Brig." It turned out to be a pretty interesting episode that has helped DarkUFO and I clarify a few more rules and eliminate a loophole or two.
Check out the video to your left (I'm excited- I finally managed to bring it in under 15 minutes!) or cut right to the chase and check out our various informative sections below. There were more Fantasy Geniuses of the Week than I could blurt out in one stretch, so check that special section out to see if you are one of them.
Feel free to leave comments and questions in the comment section, or email your questions directly to us at LFLquestions@gmail.com
IMPORTANT NOTICE: All the sections have been changed and now include the correct scoring for the episode. Only the video contains incorrect data. ~G-Man
“The Brig” (in 500 words or less)
When Wonderboy and Young Nasty Man joined forces they formed a band the likes of which have never been seen, but stick Locke and Sawyer together and you come up with a jungle trek filled to the brim with awkwardness.
After making sexy-time with Kate, who unceremoniously ditches him for her own tent, Sawyer gets up to take care of a little business in the bushes. Locke catches him with his fly down, and tricks Sawyer into following him deep into the jungle with a tantalizing lie about having captured Ben. Caught off guard, Sawyer channels Bruce Willis a la Die Hard and treks off with Jungle John to parts unknown in his bare feet.
Along the way, Sawyer tells Locke that he won’t kill Ben, but Jungle John retorts that he’ll rethink that statement when he hears what ‘Ben’ has to say. Foreshadow much?
In flashbacks we see what Locke was doing for the last few episodes while he was MIA. Turns out he and Big Bad Dad, Anthony Cooper, were hiking and camping with the Others. Like any good camping trip, something has to go wrong. In this case, Ben wants Locke to kill Big Bad Dad but doesn’t have the guts to do it. Jungle John gets kicked out of the club and he won’t be let back in until he kills Cooper and carries him back to Tent City on his back. The eyeliner-loving Richard Alpert drops Sawyer’s file in Locke’s lap and suggests Saw Dog be used to solve everyone’s problem.
Back in real time, Locke and Sawyer approach the Black Rock, where ‘Ben’ is being held. Sawyer is the only one surprised to see that it is Cooper inside the brig. Locke locks him inside and sits outside the door until Sawyer kills the man he just met. Cooper thinks they’re all in hell, but Saw Dog sends him there for real after learning that Cooper is the original Sawyer he’s been hunting for many moons. Sawyer heads back to camp and Locke heads back to the Others, with Big Bad Dead Dad on his back. Sheesh, what a literalist!
Meanwhile, our beach-warming buddies are trying to keep Naomi on the down-low. Turns out that none of them trust Jack at the moment. Returning to camp with one of the Others seems to have that affect on people (no matter how hot said Other is). With the good doctor on the outs with our Losties, they call in the reserves: Sayid.
He doesn’t buy her story at first but is won over by a shiny new toy (read: satellite phone). The phone, however, only spits out static, which draws the attention of Kate. She’s sworn to secrecy about Naomi and the radio, but buckles like a belt and tells Jack about it the first chance she gets. Jack and Juliet converse about a secret of their own, which makes them even more annoyingly suspicious.
1. Locke and Cooper were at the Black Rock in the opening scene. This isn’t that major of a ruling, but it’s a matter of clarification. You all probably figured out that they were at the Black Rock, but I just wanted to let you all know that we scored it as such.
2. Locke gets point for visiting the Black Rock twice, but Cooper would have only scored points once. Had Cooper been a character in our League, he’d have only gotten points for one visit to the Black Rock. Locke left him there while he went and fetched Sawyer to do his dirty work. When Locke comes back with Sawyer, they both get points because their presence was established elsewhere in the episode. Cooper, however, was still inside from when he first got there.
3. Sawyer and Kate’s implied sexual romp was counted for sex points… this time. It was very strongly suggested by the fact that they had little clothing on and their dialogue after waking, so we counted it. This does NOT set a precedent for implied sex though. In the future, implied sex will be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. DarkUFO and I will put our heads together to determine whether or not sex was truly implied by a scene.
4. Sawyer and Kate only score points once for their kiss. To clarify the kissing rule, a kiss does NOT earn a character points for kissing someone and points again for the same kiss because they were kissed by that person. We are simply cutting out this loophole right here and now. Mutual kissing only earns a one-time score of 20 points for both characters involved.
5. Juliet’s voice recording does NOT count as appearing in Locke’s flashback. To further expound upon this situation, a voice recording does not count as an appearance in an episode. We have to see the character in order for them to get appearance points. This means they have to either be physically be present or be present in some sort of visual way (i.e. Marvin Candle appearing in videos). Our use of the word “appear” is key here. To appear means to be visually present one way or another. Further clarification on this rule is pending and we will have it fully sorted out by the time Season 4 rolls around.
6. Locke gets a points deduction for injuring Cooper. In one of his flashbacks, Locke comes close to killing Cooper with a knife. During this scene, Locke pokes Cooper in the neck with a knife and appears to draw blood. There also appears to be a mark or blood smear under his chin later on. Based on this visual evidence, we ruled this an injury to Cooper, costing Locke 5 points.
7. Locke’s visit to the campground where the pillars are present does not count as discovering a new place. Locke was led there by the Others, who clearly had prior knowledge of it and were familiar with it.
8. Locke gets no points for meeting any of the red shirt Others in his flashbacks. We didn’t learn any of their names and there wasn’t even any real interaction between them. Also, they made their presence known to Locke, instead of him discovering them.
9. While Richard and Ben appear in several of Locke’s flashbacks, they only get the 15 points for appearing in said flashbacks once. The flashbacks served as one linear narrative, of which they were a part. Had they appeared in several montage style flashbacks, they would have received points for each appearance.
10. While he masterminded the whole thing, Locke does NOT lose points for his father’s death. While it could be argued that Locke used Sawyer as his weapon to kill Cooper, only the person who physically does the killing loses murder points. Otherwise it becomes a slippery slope as to who shares responsibility for the death. Guilt by association is a tricky thing with very few clear-cut lines.
11. Sawyer’s vomiting does not count as an injury. He threw up as a result of shock and adrenaline after killing Cooper. Vomiting due to natural causes is exempt from injury deductions. If a character vomits due to being poisoned however, this will count as an injury.
12. Cooper would lose points in our league for getting zapped by Tom. Getting hit by a taser incapacitates a person, which we are counting as an injury. Again, this is just for future clarification.
These scores have been updated to include the points for Rousseau's visit to the Black Rock. They are now accurate.
Group 7-
Christian (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Kelvin (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Kevin Callis (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Mr. Paik (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Nadia (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Group 6-
Ethan (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Libby (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Ms. Hawking (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Rachel (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Charles Widmore (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Group 5-
Cindy (+20): Attendance (+5); Appears in Locke's Flashback (+15)
Richard (+20): Attendance (+5); Appears in Locke's Flashback (+15)
Arron (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Marvin Candle (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Penny (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Group 4-
Alex (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Bernard (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Karl (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Rose (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Walt (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Group 3-
Rousseau (+20): Attendance (+5); Visits the Black Rock (+15)
Jin (+5): Attendance (+5)
Claire (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Jacob (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Sun (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Group 2-
Sayid (+25): Attendance (+5); Uses the Numbers (+20)
Desmond (+5): Attendance (+5)
Hurley (+5): Attendance (+5)
Juliet (+5): Attendance (+5)
Michael (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Group 1-
Locke (+85): Attendance (+5); First On Screen (+15); First Line (+10); Episode Centricity (+25); On-Island Flashback (+10); Visits the Black Rock Twice (2 x +15 = +30); Gets Hurt Twice- Bitten by Cooper and Hit by Sawyer (2 x -10 = -20); Injures Someone- Draws blood from Cooper (-5); Last Line (+5); Last On Screen (+10)
Kate (+40): Attendance (+5); Has Sex (+15); Kisses Sawyer (+20)
Sawyer (+20): Attendance (+5); Has Sex (+15); Kisses Kate (+20); Gets Hurt- Feet Get Cut Up (-10); Injures Locke (-5); Visits the Black Rock (+15); Kills Cooper (-20)
Ben (+15): Attendance (+5); Appears in Locke's Flashback (+15); Injures Cooper- Knocks Him Out (-5)
Jack (+5): Attendance (+5)
The most points you could have earned this week was 135. The following contestants all managed to achieve this score. Congratulations! (This list has been corrected to include an extra 15 points for Rousseau's visit to the Black Rock)
-davevil
-DoctorYoda
-Dreidel
-El Último sobre la tierra
-finchburg
-http://alchemist-lostfan.blogspot.com/
-jennesan
-joe gear
-jonathan locke
-juliedelaporte
-Lo Raconet de LLuis
-nickv1025
-NicoleMM05
-relatosydibujos
-roxed
-T-minus108
-walterdolnaez
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If you’ve been watching the Hiatus League episodes with me, your homework assignment for the next two weeks is to watch our next episode: “The Greater Good.”This Season 1 episode focuses on Sayid’s past, shortly before crashing onto the Island. In flashbacks he is forced into infiltrating a terror cell that an old friend has become entangled in. On the Island, the Losties pay their last respects to Boone and deal with the fallout of Locke’s reemergence at the beach camp.
Sayid fans rejoice! This episode is full of our resident Iraqi. Will this help tip the scales a little, allowing some of you to make up ground against our points leaders? There’s only one way to find out- check back in 2 weeks for our next Update!
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43 Comments:
Just to let you all know, next week (as in the first full week of December) I'll be posting another Question and Answer post covering some of the many questions asked by you all during Weeks 2, 3 and 4. I meant to post a Q&A after every update, but I fell a little behind.
Keep your eyes peeled- answers are coming! (Well, LFL answers at least)
:-)
Not a big fan of the Google documents scoring table. I find it harder to navigate than what we've had in the past in large part because the headings don't stay on the screen as you scroll down. Also it doesn't fit on the screen as well and doesn't easily allow you to highlight a row.
Also, is there going to be a running total once we get started?
What do you mean by running total? As far as I know, all the content and score charts we're posting now is what we'll be posting during Season 4.
Great podcast G-man.
One question. Why didn't Rousseau get points for visiting the Black Rock? She was in the episode picking up dynamite at the Black Rock.
Hey yeah, you're right!
Thanks for catching that one Freckles. *Sigh* I shouldn't have let that one slip.
I'll email Dark and see if we can't get corrected scores up soon.
I agree memphis, the way that the top of the charts wouldn't stay was annoying. I'm in 600 something place, so I can't complain. Based on the spoilers I've seen, I'm feeling sort of wary about picking Michael.
Nice job choosing who would be in what groups G-Man, group 7 really should give out the least points, and it has.
Oh... my team sucks... I hope it will be different in S4 :(
Hey, here's something cool (at least to me): My rank change was 65 spot, and I got 65 points this week. spooky
Thanks G-Man, another excellent video and recap.
All the points and tables have been updated to include the 15 points for Rousseau.
I'm getting worse in the league. 1888 place LOL.
finally i've positive point lol but the next week will be not good lol
anyway thank for the fun^^
Good video gman. My first time commenting here as I could not post until today but thanks for doing this its a lot of fun and im sure it will be even more fun once we get some new episodes (is it feb yet!)
I just hope my team does better in the real comp.
Sorry G-man that it took me so long to figure this out. For some reason I thought each week stood alone. Now I see that our points are our cumulative points and our points change are what we scored this week.
Not a problem Memphish! Some of the tables might be confusing at first, and we have had several questions about it before. Don't be afraid to ask questions. We're here to help! :-)
And don't worry Hipster. While I have avoided about 99% of all spoilers for Season 4, don't worry about your picks. Even if the writers strike limits us to 8 episodes come February, the scores for the League will be based on the first 16 new episodes that air. If they end up lumping the second half of Season 4 in with the 16 set for Season 5, those first 8 will count for our Season 4 League totals. It's a contingency plan we hope we won't have to put into effect, but we're prepared for the worst case scenario (an extended strike).
A better week for me this week. Up to 1966th place from 2142th.
All thanks to Sawyer, Rousseau and Cindy.
Another good job, G-man.
What the hell is going on...
Hey Dark and Gman!
Does the sattelite phone not count as a significant enough item for Hurley, and Sayid to be encounterin a new person place or THING? Or is it because Naomi "leads" them to it, just like the others camp doesn't count for Locke, that they don't get points for encountering it?
Good question future_aaron. I think the satellite phone would probably count as a significant discovery, but it was discovered in Naomi's pack back in "Catch-22."
So, while the phone is very likely worth points, no one gets points for it in "The Brig" since it was found two episodes prior.
Had Naomi been the one to reveal the phone, then no, it wouldn't be worth points.
Whoohoo my team scored this time around and vaulted me up to 1545 (from 1761) :D
....and I have Sayid on my team for the next round! :)
Oh, and one more question (sorry for the ?s) How do we know the opening scene was actually at the black rock? It was so dark? How could you tell? I actually assumed it was somewhere in the jungle on the way to the black rock as I hope Locke wouldn't be foolish enough to have a small bonfire going on board the ship with all that unstable dynamite!
So is the ruling that the first scene is actually AT the black rock or is it that his trek is implied by us finding out later that he dropped off cooper there (which we may or may not have been witness to)? or maybe my TV was just too dang dark to tell.
wow i had sawyer and still manage to lose points lol !
thanks so much for this G-MAN AND DARK !!!!!!
Love it love it love it
wow next week i might get points !!! i have sayid lol
anyways i dont mind if i win or lose i just love playing this...
great great recap G-MAN
thanks so much
109, holla
Why are "running totals" only for the Leaderboard? I want to see my total compared to the top 20..
Why are "running totals" only for the Leaderboard? I want to see my total compared to the top 20..
Hi Mike,
You should be able to. In the Tables/Stats section there is a link to the entire database sorted by name. You should be able to see all the points info relating to your team.
Hope this helps.
Rank 2303 4 me im a loser but one question to we start all over for season 4 or 3.5 i dont know witch too call it. Dark or G-Man let me know brothers.
one question to we start all over for season 4
Yep, all points are reset when we run this for real for Season 4
Question for you. Is there any way of seeing how many other players have exactly the same picks as I do?
I tried using the IE 'find' feature on the scores chart, but it doesn't work with multiple words.
Just wondering if my pick selection is unique or not.
Hi Dharmageddon.
If you have Excel or OpenOffice you can copy and paste the data into a spreadsheet.
You then need to sort on Character Name Columns. This should give you a full list with all the teams etc.
You then just need to find your entry and see if the others above/below yours are the same.
Great first take =D I smiled immediatly.
Even though Sawyer and Rousseau are two of my character picks, I still managed to drop another 13 places. At this rate, I'll be in last place at the end of this fantasy league contest. :-)
One question, G-man. How can you possibley do a podcast related to "The Brig" and manage to not even mention Sawyer's name once???? ;)
Another fun recap. I wish we could have heard the debate over whether or not to award points for the implied sex. Hee!
And I'd just like to let everyone know that the very exclusive 2000+ Club will be partying tonight under the third coconut tree from the pantry in honor of our complete irrelevance to the competition. I'll be proudly wearing a number tag that says #2020, and bringing my friend, #2338 along too because she can never resist a good party. Perhaps we can invent an unofficial mini-league-within-a-league just for us to play so we can boost our self-esteem a little. Our mini-league can award points for things like
"character smiles = 5 points",
"character smiles, with dimples" = 10 points,
"character cries" = 10 points, (just keeping it fair)
"character is seen eating food" = 10 points,
"character is seen barefoot" = 10 points,
"character says he's going to pee" = 60 points (How often will THAT happen?) Mind you, that last one would have been a boost for Sawyer, Hurley AND Charlie with this episode. And of course, the all-important
"character mentions missing home" = 100 points. LOL!
Another great status update G-man
LOL Methosrocks! Hard to believe it, but you're correct- no mention of Sawyer in the video. (Does the video count as a podcast??)
In order to shorten the video updates, my format is now to mention just the highest and lowest scoring characters in each group. While I'd love to talk about what each character does, DailyMotion restricts how long videos are. Plus it takes a while for slow-speed connections to run the whole video. And who really want to see more of my ugly mug than is absolutely necessary? :-P
The debate was fairly short over the sex points. We just tried to keep it fair. Hopefully all the sex action from here on out will be a little more concrete.
Good luck with the mini-league within the league! It seems I have a hard enough time keeping track of who visits the Black Rock. Looking for smiles and dimples would drive me batty!
methosrocks
LOL, loved your post.
I am 1687 and feeling rather irrelevant. Could I please come too?
For the moment, I've been really lucky in this hiatus league (thanks to Locke and Michael), but I guess that next time all the Locke's users will be a little less confortable. I didn't watch The Greater Good for a while, but I remember that Locke gets beaten and shot!
As always thanks for the video podcast. I really enjoy this since I won bragging rights over my sister who's score is lower than me.
@methorocks -
And I'd just like to let everyone know that the very exclusive 2000+ Club will be partying tonight under the third coconut tree from the pantry in honor of our complete irrelevance to the competition.
Dang! I was just about there with you, knocking back Harvey Wallbangers and counting dimple appearances, but then I went from slipping 13 places to going up 43, thanks to the revision in Rousseau's points. Now I'm in 1,988th place. Waahoo.
yeah, upto 14th :)
bring on S4 when I will be top...
woo ho I'm a genius!!!! I'm sure this will be the first & last time in my life that I am referred to as such... but hey, I'll take it!!
Go Sayid.....
*passes 2338 a fresh rum drink*
2020: Can you imagine how it feels being "perfect", right up there at the very top of that tall list?
2338: Probably just get nosebleeds being up that high anyhow.
2020: True. Besides, at least we don't have to be afraid of falling. *snerk*
2338: ROFL! There is that! *clinks glasses with 2020*
Hi G-Man - Good recap but no Lost impressions :(
I have no iron in this fire but I did have a question about the ruling that Locke didn't get points for discovering a new place - the ruins with the piller - because the Others had brought him there and because they were familiar with it. My question is wouldn't that ruling pretty much put null and void to any discoveries since the Others and Rousseau have pretty much been to all the cool places on the Island. Think about it - encountering the Black Rock in Season 1 would have to be taken away since Rousseau is very familiar with it, discovering the Swan Hatch would also be null since Desmond did that awhile back. This is my humble oppinion but I think encountering a new place (and this should be a significant place not just another piece of jungle or stretch of beach) it should be the first time a character comes upon a new place. This might be a challenge since "discoveries" are not done at the same time. The ruling would have to be that these points would be awarded if the character does the initial encounter during an episode. If it happens between episodes then no points are awarded. I'll use the Swan Hatch as an example - In Season 2, we see Rose being shown the Hatch by Hurley a couple of episodes after the main characters discover it, so she should get points. On the other hand, Libby in the clothes washing scene with Hurley shouldn't get points since she's familiar with the surroundings. I think if we go by a strict interpretation of encountering a new place that not only will it be hard to ever award points but it will increase the likelihood that points would be subtratced latter on. Again I'll use the Hatch as an example - by the strict constructionist viewpoint even Desmond couldn't get points for discovering the Hatch in his flashback in LT,DA because Kelvin was already pretty much at home there. And who's to say but that somewhere in the upcoming season we don't find out that Richard help build the Hatch or Melvin Candle designed it. Sorry to get all long winded on you there, G-Man. I'll be interested in your thoughts.
Say why aren't we including the mobisodes in the fantasy league since it looks like Season 4 is going to be short at best?
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