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On the TV side, ABC's "Lost" was the big winner with four trophies: best network television series, best TV actor Matthew Fox, best TV supporting actor Michael Emerson, and best TV supporting actress, for which "Lost's" Elizabeth Mitchell tied with Summer Glau of "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles."
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That is absolutely thrilling. I'm glad Elizabeth Mitchell got some credit for her great acting,
congrats to all :)))
Go Foxy!! *makes the boogie dance*
Great news! (Even though the direction of Juliet's character this year was an insult to Elizabeth Mitchell.)
Michael Emerson a supporting actor? Not this season!
Huzzah! Well deserved for all three.
Hurrah for all 4 wins! Finally Lizzie gets something. :D
Yay for Liz and Foxy!
:D
Great news for three deserving actors.
I hope before S6 wraps that Jorge Garcia, Josh Holloway and Evangeline Lilly grab some hardware.
Now that's a triangle I can get behind! Congrats to all 3, so, so well deserved ME, EM and MF!!!
I think all actors of Lost would deserve it and why only the same faces gets such a notice?
I really hope they stop to overlook special other actors, as Evie, Josh, Jorge and so on!
I bet that this is just a preview of what is to come from the golden globes, emmy's, etc. LOST was really back this year. Expect Michael Emerson to take a lot more awards this year, as long as he nominates The Shape of Things to Come as his episode for everything.
Good for Emerson and for Best TV series, but Fox and Mitchell weren't as solid this season as in year's past.
I would have given it to Yunjin Kim for those last couple episodes.
But still, good job!
Foxy and Emerson so deserved these awards. Emerson was up against Josh and Terry for supporting actor and Evie was nominated for lead actress. Even though I hate Juliet as a character Liz does an amazing job with her! Crossing fingers that Emmy's have Lost, MF and ME at least nominated this year.
I am so glad for Matthew Fox!!!!
GO FOXY !!!!
Awesome news. As the greatest TV show ever created, Lost should be attracting awards like moths to a flame.
But they got the best TV actor and best TV supporting actor backwards and everyone knows it.
But they got the best TV actor and best TV supporting actor backwards and everyone knows it.
No, they really didn't. Matthew Fox has always been referred to as the lead actor in this cast and has always been submitted as such for awards. This is his second Saturn win. Why can't fans just be happy for the man, why does everything to do with Matthew Fox have to draw some sort of negative comment from fans? MF, ME and EM are very deserving so why not just say "good for them" and move on?
Great news! (Even though the direction of Juliet's character this year was an insult to Elizabeth Mitchell.)
Agreed. Can only hope that it gets better next season.
@ katieb20022001
I was speaking figuratively and criticizing the selection/nomination process. I'm well aware of the constraints that role status places upon certain characters and indeed their writers when it comes to these awards.
I'm almost certainly not the only one who finds it lamentable that Michael Emerson's superior ability and performances are given second billing (supporting) to someone who is nominated by default. Frankly, I'm struggling to recall which season 4 scene/s Matthew achieved this award for.
Why not just say "good for them" and move on?
Because this is a forum where discussion is encouraged, not a mutual appreciation society for Matthew Fox or any of his contemporaries. If I want to say "good for them" and then elaborate or add to that, I'll do so.
Congratulations to all :-)))))
The only thing I'll say about the injustice of Emerson being relegated to the supporting actor category is that supporting actors and character actors are traditionally the ones who bring all the color, pathos, and ambiguity to the stories they inhabit. Most of the truly great actors since the 1960s have preferred to work their magic as second bananas, rather than step forward into the flashier but less interesting "hero" roles. These days, I think it's almost instinct on the part of these nominating bodies when they see a really nuanced antiheroic performance to call them supporting by default.
As someone who prefers, and prefers to be, the guy doing very interesting things on the side, I find it more smirk-worthy than anyting that Emerson, whose character was the driving force behind the show for the last two seasons, should still be considered "supporting," but I think rather than being a disadvantage, that status grants more freedom to do interesting stuff.
Anyway, congrats to all three, though the Fox win has me scratching my head a bit...
Awesome portrait of the silver lining Surly, kudos :)
Frankly, I'm struggling to recall which season 4 scene/s Matthew achieved this award for
Well that explains alot, perhaps you should go back and watch, but since these noms came out in February, my guess is that these nominations and wins were for Season 3, not Season 4, a season in which the scenes between MF, ME and EM in the first 9 episodes were some of the best Lost scenes to date.
Suggesting MF is getting nominated by default is unfair. His work, which is every bit as stellar as the co-stars that won supporting noms, still has to earn the nomination.
I find it more smirk-worthy than anyting that Emerson, whose character was the driving force behind the show for the last two seasons, should still be considered "supporting,"
This is of course your opinion and not one that is shared by everyone.
@katieb: yes, it is my opinion. That's why I use the pronoun "I" and not the word "everyone."
Thanks.
perhaps you should go back and watch
Again, I'll have to decline your suggestion. I'm confident in my own opinions and have watched and rewatched Lost enough to be so.
His work, which is every bit as stellar as the co-stars
His work is on a par with many of his co-stars but there are notable exceptions. Namely Terry O'Quinn and Michael Emerson. Two names resigned to having the word 'supporting' engraved on their hard-won trophies when their talents consistently overshadow the supposed top brass.
Hence my original point. Which was more about the limitations of TV award processes and less an affront to Matthew Fox and his fans.
F O X Y
R U L E S!!!!
I am so happy!!
*cracks open a bottle of champagne*
Congrats to all our actors, Lost has a great cast!
Matthew Fox is an AMAZING actor and deserves ANY nomination he gets, based on his work in ANY of Lost's 4 seasons.
The fact that Michael Emerson is also an amazing actor and should, in the opinion of some, be considered a "lead actor," really has NOTHING to do with Matthew Fox, in my opinion.
Fox was not nominated "by default." I would say that Emerson is placed in the "supporting" category by default, perhaps unfairly - but that has nothing to do with Matthew Fox. Matthew Fox IS the lead actor, and it would be cool if they would allow two actors into that category, but I disagree that they should be "switched."
At the end of S3 the audience learned that Jack was deeply screwed up in the future. Throughout S4 we've seen how he got there. Scenes like him learning that Claire is his sister and the entire process of his devolution culminating in that huge fight with Kate at the end of his centric episode are examples of his talent. However, like someone else said, apparently these awards are based on the actors' work for S3. Which I think speaks for itself.
Congratulations to all three of these great actors and to Lost.
Two names resigned to having the word 'supporting' engraved on their hard-won trophies when their talents consistently overshadow the supposed top brass.
I agree both TO and ME are brilliant actors, but I don't agree their talents consistently overshadow the supposed top brass or that they deliver any better on their scenes than MF does. Locke and Ben are weird, quarky, colorful characters that will naturally suck people in for those very reasons and yes the actors portray them brilliantly, but do you think either one of them could portray Jack with the passion and intensity that MF does? Would you want to see that? I wouldn't because neither actor is particulary suited for the role of Jack Shephard. Different actors are suited to different roles and the producers have done a wonderful job selecting actors for the roles for the most part.
When ME wins the supporting actor Emmy this year (which I believe he will) will it really matter what category he got his recognition in or will that fact that he got recognized, nominated and won be enough?
Also, saying things like "everyone knows it" - INSULTING. No, not everyone "knows" it, obviously. I completely disagree.
Personal opinions on the acting abilities of these people is understandable. Obviously, the people who nominate and vote for these awards simply disagree with some of your opinions on the acting chops of Matthew Fox. :)
However, saying that Fox isn't as good as Emerson as a way of backing up the point that their placement in the respective categories should be "switched" doesn't make any sense. Placement in those categories has nothing to do with talent. It's not like some actors are "lead" because they're better, and "supporting" automatically means you're not as talented. No. It's about screentime and different "types" of characters. So I agree that Michael Emerson, in Season 4, COULD be considered a "lead actor" - but if he is, then so is Fox, who had either as much screentime or more than he did. But yeah, it has nothing to do with talent, so that kind of argument makes no sense to me.
"Nominated by default" is ridiculous. Placed in a certain CATEGORY by default, perhaps. Although I believe that in Fox's case, that default category is the correct one. How is anybody "nominated by default"? What does that even mean? That nobody watched his work and thought it was good? That whoever is in charge of nominations just said, "Oh, but we can't forget to include Matthew Fox! Just because he's Matthew Fox, of course, and he HAS to be nominated! Because... he just does. It has nothing to do with his acting ability, of course! We just HAVE to nominate him! It's, like, a rule!" Because THAT would be "nominating by default."
I look forward to seeing Michael Emerson looking smoking hot in a suit as he strides up the aisle to collect yet another award this coming awards season.
Elizabeth Mitchell kind of faded in to the background this season, but I love her scenes with Harper and the look on her face when Ghost Harper says "Point the gun and pull the trigger". She'll be key in season 5, I'm sure, as a link between the few 815ers left, DanielMilesCharlotte and The New Others (John Edition). I want to see some kick-ass Juliet again!
@ katieb20022001
I believe we're fast approaching the 'agree to disagree' stage so I'll bottom line my point.
Come this time next year, Michael Emerson will be denied the same honor Matthew Fox has received and outlined in this post, because said 'leading man' sits above him in the questionable hierarchy of Lost's cast, despite meeting every criteria and surpassing the default nomination in almost every aspect. Yes, I believe Emerson and O'Quinn, by including nuance and mannerisms uncalled for in any script and relying on good, old-fashioned talent sell their scenes better than anyone, Matthew Fox included. Having come to know John Locke and Benjamin Linus however, I agree their talents are best suited to those roles.
will it really matter what category he got his recognition in
That question is the perfect preface to my original point. I believe every actor and actress on a particular show should be eligible to win their respective top awards, which would be a triumph of talent over status. 'Supporting' denotes a lesser role and infers a less noteworthy position. Which is a ludicrous concept when applied to Lost.
@ yellowgreen123
Everyone knows it was largely a tongue in cheek line meant to supplement a point. I thought that much was obvious. I'm not going to apologize for your lack of understanding and you are more than welcome to disagree :)
In any case, it points to an existent groundswell of opinion that indeed, Emerson and O'Quinn are where it's at for acting ability on this show.
Matthew Fox is considered to be the leading man on Lost. Therefore if Lost was to nominate someone in the 'Best TV Actor' category of these awards, it would be Matthew Fox by default. Distinct from someone such as Michael Emerson who is considered 'supporting'. I hope that makes it less ridiculous for you.
I believe I addressed the rest of your point/s above.
It's not a "lack of understanding." I don't care if what you said was tongue in cheek. In my opinion it was insulting, and that's what I said. It doesn't matter to me whether you meant it as a joke. Jokes can be rude. It was rude, from my perspective. I don't care if you agree. Done.
Hey yellowgreen, calm down. I don't think tla has an "insulting" bone in his typing fingers.
Never understand why people need to be so defensive about their favorite actors. Though I suppose if I read a post claiming Terry O'Quinn or Michael Emerson were wooden or miscast, I'd probably feel the same way.
Of course, I don't see that happening, because it's pretty much accepted that no matter what you think of their characters, TOQ and ME are actors performing at the apex of their estimable talents. Which only serves to underline tla's point. Again.
Go Foxy!! *makes the boogie dance*
Congrats to all our actors, Lost has a great cast!
Wow, that made my day. These three are masters in what they do.
I would add yun jin kim, garcia and desmond ;p.
t.l.a. said: "But they got the best TV actor and best TV supporting actor backwards and everyone knows it."
Sorry to come back to it, but I arrived late :)
I aways like to think our main characters are the castaways. Great additions every season, but the main story is about the Losties.
Michael Emerson is a great actor, deserving each award he can get, but he was not in Season 1, and it was a blast.
And IMHO, the last moments of the show will not be about him, so sorry... Even if Ben is a great character I wouldn't put Ben's importance above the lead or any other supporting actor of the original cast, no matter how much screentime he gets.
"His work (MF) is on a par with many of his co-stars but there are notable exceptions. Namely Terry O'Quinn and Michael Emerson".
I would include a certain Henry Ian Cusick, who got 16% of the votes here at the Darkufo Season 4 awards against TOQ 5% in the Best Actor category.
Anyway, it's not like we are talking about the Emmy's here, but a great Bravo to our cast.
They really do a great job.
man, all the jack haters must be beside themselves.
YAAII!!
I REALLY HATE THAT LOST FANS THINK THAT JULIET WAS A BAD CHARACTER THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF HER EPISODE (THE OTHER WOMAN)... WELL, I YOU DIDN'T LIKE HER EPISODE FINE, BUT SHE'S STILL BEING THE BEST ACTRESS ON LOST!!!!
I MEAN... THE LAST "DARKUFO SEASON 4 AWARDS" SAID THAT... YUNJIN KIM WAS THE BEST WOMAN CHARACTER THIS SEASON?!??! C'MON!!!
JULIET WILL BE THE BEST FEMALE CHARACTER ON LOST UNTIL THE EPISODE 16 OF SEASON 6!!!
...OR UNTIL SHE DIE...
i would throw in my 2 cents but i might get stoned or something. i'll shy away now.
heres my PC answer
wow congratulations to one and all!! ;)
I'm sorry, but after seeing who else was nominated for the award, Matthew Fox should not have won. I mean, he beat Michael C. Hall? I just don't see that. Fox does well enough, but not that well. But good for him, anyway. He must be doing something right. :P
On the other hand, congratulations to Michael Emerson for another well-deserved award. If he doesn't get an Emmy this year, I'll probably destroy something.
I look forward to seeing Michael Emerson looking smoking hot in a suit as he strides up the aisle to collect yet another award this coming awards season.
I concur wholeheartedly. :D
Fox is amazing as Jack and has had alot of great material to work with this season. Hopefully this will be a precursor to the Emmy because he was deserving of on just for TTLG alone last season. Emerson is good too but I have no idea where anyone gets the idea he is a lead actor? That is laughable to think of Ben as a leading character. He is a very interesting supporting character just like Locke, just like Desmond. No way is he the cement that holds Lost together. That is and will always be Jack and consequently Fox. Congrats to all three though! Don't get why people feel they have to bring Matthew down. Only in the small group of crazy on-line Jack/Fox haters does he lack respect. The rest of the viewing public love him and respect his talent.
Emerson is great but tends to overact in scenes at times. His delivery of the "You're mine" to Juliet over Goodwyn's body when he runs off like Pee Wee Herman comes immediately to mind. He is very deserving of the award though. Disagree with the above post that Des or Locke are as deserving characters. No other supporting role was nearly as interesting as Ben's this season.
Foxy is the absolute best. YAY for Foxy!!!
Kelli said,
"Don't get why people feel they have to bring Matthew down. Only in the small group of crazy on-line Jack/Fox haters does he lack respect. The rest of the viewing public love him and respect his talent."
Most people think that by loving Locke or Sawyer means that they've to hate Jack with all their powers, is so sad...
But I don't care.
Jack is the main character and will be till the end of the Show.
Foxy is a great actor and he's winning awards for his amazing performance on lost.
kelli i don't think anyone was saying ben should be the main character but that he should have a shot at winning the best tv actor award which seems to be the main one. if that was the case i think matthew fox would get pwned tbh. unless he's extremely angry or emotional he comes off wooden and deadpan. if i'd never watched lost before season 4 i would have assumed ben or sawyer was the main man anyway, and jack was some chump on the beach that everyone has too much respect for. congrats to the person who said only crazy online people lack respect for fox - you won the award for best idiot. i have nothing against him but throwing any criticism at all his way seems to provoke his rotweiller fans every time lol
"if i'd never watched lost before season 4 i would have assumed ben or sawyer was the main man anyway, and jack was some chump on the beach that everyone has too much respect for."
In season 4 Jack had MUCH MORE screentime than sawyer or ben and it was clear all season long that Jack is the leader of the losties. The goal of the losties is to get off the island and Jack was right there in thick of that storyline all season.So to say a new lost viewer would asume that Jack wasn't the main man is stupid. Sawyer was the third most imprtant character out of the characters he was with all season long behind locke/ben. And wtf does this mean "jack was some chump on the beach that everyone has too much respect for" what kind of STUPID comment is this? Makes ZERO sense. Jack has done NOTHING wrong. Why soo much hate.
sawyer the main man in season 4? did you watch the same show that i watched? i can see the arguments for ben, but didn't the sawyer die-hards cry out about his lack of time?
I LURVE Elizabeth Mitchell's performances, but I'm surprised this was her year because it felt like she was really neglected. Besides "The Other Woman", she didn't really have many chances to shine. Oh well, winning is winning !
As for next year, I totally call Josh Holloway as being the one to get gold next year. He *really* didn't get much attention this year, not even getting a centric episode, so I predict in season 5, with a smaller number of characters on the Island, he will be the center of attention a lot more. Thinking that Kate, Jack, Hurley, etc are dead (the non-O6 people would have no reason to think they aren't) should give Sawyer a LOT of motivation... he's going to be so heart breaking in S5, no doubt.
Also, I expect Daniel Faraday will be rockin' the acting chops like crazy in S5 too.
as usually some ppl had to come out and complain how Foxy didnt deserve to be recognized as the best tv actor or how unfair for ppl to show him as the lead actor on Lost...
surprisingly those kinds of comments dont make me angry anymore actually im really having great time reading them...
i love this show... i love all the cast and im happy that my fav show won in 4 categories!!!
congrats to all :)
hopefully in the next 2 seasons more actors win awards coz they deserve to be recognized and rewarded...
I love that results! MF, ME, EM and LOST deserves it a lot!
When I saw that Foxy wins, I immediately thought in his test to Lost! He was so amazing that Damon said: YOU WILL BE JACK SHEPHARD! HE IS JACK SHEPHARD! And his test was to Sawyer character!
Thanks God that Fox was choosen to be Jack! Thanks God!!!(to who wants see all tests of characters to Lost: Youtube or on 7º DVD from S1)
Damon had reason! Foxy is Jack Shephard! No one there could be Jack Shephard with all his intensity and passion, just MF!
Lilia - I'm sorry, but after seeing who else was nominated for the award, Matthew Fox should not have won. I mean, he beat Michael C. Hall? I just don't see that.
I can see and it is much clear for me! Michael C. Hall is a great actor but compare his character with Jack Shephard? Be a Jack Shephard is much more difficult, in a much more exigent concept! with all his ups and downs, for example!
You see, I'm not saying that Hall isn't a good actor, I'm just saying that his character couldn't be compared with Foxy's character!
I just can compare Jack with Ben or Locke in Lost, about power and intensity! To me, Foxy, ME and TOQ are the best, and perhaps, Naveen Andrews too! Or just with Doctor House(of Lost),for example!
The womens: Mitchell and Kim are the best! EL is good too but her character isn't helping her! Unfortunately!
YAAAAAAY! :D Foxy deserves the prize!! Emerson and Mitchell (though less this season as she's hardly been in it) likewise! Glad to be reassured that not the whole world hates MF, just some very obstinate people on message boards.
I may represent a minority segment here but I don't hate Matthew Fox... I hate Jack Shepherd. : P
Matthew Fox AS Jack... he's awesome ! Awesome for being so convincingly being... "JackASS." And at the same time there's aspects to Fox-as-Jack that other people actually like. So, he's able to walk this weird line between being likable to some, and detestable to others.
I'm going to side with the Foxy-Lovers that it's not really right to throw hate at Fox if you don't like the character of Jack Shepherd. If that's the reaction you get towards Jack, it's more of a testament to Fox's talent that he's able to inspire that emotion in you. A bad actor... wouldn't inspire much of anything.
I gave up halfway through these offensive/defensive comments but I'd just like to see that all you nay-sayers seem to have missed an important point: I don't know what it's like in your world, but in the one I know, winning the Supporting Actor category is not any less of an honour than winning Lead Actor. That would be like saying winning Best Script is less than winning for Best Director - well it's not, really, but the theory is right. Everyone has a role to play in a television show (and movie), whether it be in front of or behind the camera, and everyone's effort and talent contributes to the overall quality of the show. The fact that Jack IS the lead character and Ben IS a supporting character is an irreversible fact, it's the way the show is CONSTRUCTED, just like Jack Bender would not be asked to pen an episode because well, that's not his role. I KNOW that it's not a good parallel, because scripting and directing are two different things and both Foxy and Emerson are actors, HOWEVER it's the best parallel I can think of, and my point is that for whatever reason, the show DOES have this structure, for whatever reason Lost the TV show is shaped as having one lead actor, one lead actress, a bunch of supporting actors and actresses and then guest stars and extras. That's the way the network/producers/TPTB have chosen to structure it, and that's that. It has nothing to do with Foxy, Emerson, O'Quinn or anyone else, nor their acting ability. That comes SECOND. I'm not arguing that it would be GREAT if all the main characters could be considered the leads... but then who would be the supporting actors? Where would the line go? If there were no supporting actors, would that mean Lost could only be nominated in one actor category, and isn't that bad for the SHOW? Aside from that, I believe that all the Lost actors are equal, but IF there was ONE character who was the lead, it has to be Jack, it just has to be. Even above Locke, though I see the argument for why he could also be the lead. If Locke was a woman (a moment to NOT picture that...) I'm sure he'd be the lead female, but because of the way the show is structured, he's supporting. And if he's supporting, Ben sure as hell is also supporting!
I don't know how it worked in the time of say, Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Were all the cast members considered main, were it only the core four, or was it only Sarah Michelle Gellar? I suspect it's the last, as I remember Alyson Hannigan winning a Best Supporting Actress award once... now, you could argue that Willow and Xander were just as main as Buffy, sometimes they delivered such stellar acting performances while SMG sort of waddled along... but still they were supporting. It's a bad example again cause this particular show actually has the name Buffy in the title and Lost is not called The Jack Show (ohhh the haters would have a fit), but the reality is that this "hierachial" (sp?) structure is true for ALL. SHOWS.
So to cut a loooong and roundabout argument off abrubtly (I'm exhausted, 'scuse my English), the argument that Emerson should be the lead character doesn't hold, and it has nothing to do with his or Foxy's acting abilities (which as Yellow or Katie already said are BOTH excellent and fit their respectives roles).
(Scratch that about Jack Bender, he does actually write some of the episodes doesn't he? Use some other director, like Stephen Williams).
Lilia said: "If [ME] doesn't get an Emmy this year, I'll probably destroy something." LOL, me too. :-D
P.S. Why does some disagreement of opinion with MF's award equal hate for him? I never got that train of thought, as it applies to any of the actors/characters. Oh well. I'm with you Sarah, best to remain PC. :-o
Seriously folks some of you are funny. I just had to google what the heck the Saturn awards are anyway. You do realize if you asked 10 random people on the street no one would know what they are or care who won, right?
I guess the trio should be proud to be recognized among their peers but really, who were they up against? "Bag of leaves"? LOL!
I wouldn't ready emmy into any of this, sorry Fox lovers but I just don't think so. Emerson definitely, it was right last year for TOQ to win but this year Emerson should. I just don't think the writers did EM any justice this year. I guess we'll see.
@j--I think that "You're mine" scene is the ONLY time Emerson pushed the limits of overacting, and I read in an interview that he was purposely trying to read the line like a 12-year-old boy stamping his foot because he didn't get what he wanted for Christmas. He thinks Ben is an adult thinker but an emotional teenager. It was a risky move, in an episode that left little room for anything else.
I agree, that scene was very grating. But I don't think it can be used as an example, as it's the only scene of it's kind he's done on the show. Otherwise, he's a master of under-reading.
Emerson is great but tends to overact in scenes at times. His delivery of the "You're mine" to Juliet over Goodwyn's body when he runs off like Pee Wee Herman comes immediately to mind
I love Ben and Michael's acting (I saw him as Oscar Wilde in The Trials of Oscar Wilde in the late 90's and he was mindblowing) but yeah, he can lay it on a bit thick at at times. It tends to come at times when the writers use him as sort of a bludgeon to get a point across.
However, I *love* his reaction in the scene you mention, despite you ruining it forever by mentioning Pee-Wee! :-)
Ben is still in some ways a child, his upbringing stunted him emotionally in a lot of ways. I thought the reaction was perfect: Ben was horrified that he lost control and he immediately shut down. I loved how it tied in with his later "Sometimes command decisions get compromised by emotional responses" to John. I like how they've shown how Ben's emotions and his reaction to them have been his undoing.
"man, all the jack haters must be beside themselves."
why???? I hate jack, but like fox. he deserved the award. although i'm pissed off that TOQ wasn't also in the lead character catergory. he deserves to be, and then would at least have an equal chance of winning. i like fox, but i acknowledge that he gets preferential treatment over other cast members. i mean, tptb always say that jack AND locke are the heart of the show or whatever, so why does TOQ never get nominated for best lead as well?? i agree that ME should be in supporting actor this season, maybe next season season he should be in the lead catergory.
seriously reading through this is hilarious. why are TLA and surley (among others) being attacked and accused of being jack/fox haters when they are not? this is exactly my point about jack fans - they are too defensive and offensive to other fans.
@isabelle:
i mean, tptb always say that jack AND locke are the heart of the show or whatever, so why does TOQ never get nominated for best lead as well??
I think Jack was definitely meant to be the center of the show in S1 (with Kate) and it makes sense that Fox would get lead billing and all other males get supporting. I think the growth of Locke as the other side of the Jack coin was something that happened gradually when TPTB realized the potential the character had, based on the casting of the amazing TOQ, to add to the thematic arc of the story.
By now, I really think the two are about equal in every way. So I really don't understand why TOQ doesn't share top billing, except that he probably never even considered asking for it.
surly - "By now, I really think the two are about equal in every way. So I really don't understand why TOQ doesn't share top billing, except that he probably never even considered asking for it."
exactly. They are equal and should both be up for lead. And to be honest, if anything, TOQ is a better actor, playing a better character. I guess your right about him not even considering asking for it. i just hope that if he did, then he would be nominated in the lead catergory because he deserves.
I hate that fact that defending TOQ and ME and being annoyed at how they are not as appreciated for their work as they should be in these award things, comes across as fox hate to some people. :)
I think Jack was definitely meant to be the center of the show in S1 (with Kate) and it makes sense that Fox would get lead billing and all other males get supporting.
It's my understanding that Matthew Fox has it written in to his contract that he gets the "Lead Actor" designation. Or have I smoked too much pot over the years? :-)
@isabelle
I don't really care about this argument, as I like both Sawyer and Jack. But, for you to say that Jack fans are too defensive and offensive to other fans is kind of the pot calling the kettle black. In all this Jack/Sawyer bashing, you are one of the main one's I always see on the Sawyer side, complaining about how much you hate Jack, and always infiltrating a Jack thread to express your hate. You seem to always throw around the Jack fans are idiots ball a lot, but the way I see it, you are just as bad as any of them. You're always right in the middle of it.
ana paula said...
I can see and it is much clear for me! Michael C. Hall is a great actor but compare his character with Jack Shephard? Be a Jack Shephard is much more difficult, in a much more exigent concept! with all his ups and downs, for example!
You see, I'm not saying that Hall isn't a good actor, I'm just saying that his character couldn't be compared with Foxy's character!
I've never found the character of Jack to be particularly compelling. I'm sure part of that has to be personal taste, but it can't all be, since I really want to like Jack. He is the "man of science", after all, something I can definitely identify with. And I disagree that Jack is a more difficult character to play than Dexter. Jack is your stereotypical god-complex surgeon with an ego the size of Montana and daddy issues. Dexter is sociopathic vigilante trying to figure out who he is, both literally and figuratively. In my mind, it's obvious which is more complex, but I suppose it still comes down to personal taste. Not to mention the fact that some actors are going to find it easier to play certain character than other actors. Oh well. :P
It's not that I think MF is a bad actor - far from it. I just don't think he's as great as people make him out to be.
You seem to always throw around the Jack fans are idiots ball a lot, but the way I see it, you are just as bad as any of them. You're always right in the middle of it."
That is not truth. I never saw Isabele to call Jack fans idiot and to bash Jack. Don't lie. And there is some problem if she is on Sawyers " side" ?. I am too.
And im realy fed up, with that crap that people are bashing Jack on Lost boards. I visited some Lost sites The Fuselafe, Lost_forum... and Jack is not even near the way other characters are bashed and especially Sawyer. And the most sad thing is that the same couple of people are doing that.
Anyway congrats to MF,EM and ME!. The top ten Emmy finalits for drama are announced and Lost is in :
http://cdn.emmys.tv/awards/2008pte/topten.php
And im realy fed up, with that crap that people are bashing Jack on Lost boards.
you should seriously check the episode discussion boards and see how the same ppl opens antijack threads in those sections just to spread the hate...
and its not even one thread for one episode... its like 100 threads for one episode with different names but in reality they are all same "how stuipid jack is"
"jack is a coward"
"jack is not a hero"
"jack is the worst character ever" "jack should die a long time ago" "why jack has to be the main character"
"why is jack getting so much screen time- he doesnt even deserve it"
"jack is the most selfish character on lost"
"jack is a man with no honor"
"jack made it up the apendesit just to get a ticket home"
and it goes on and on everywhere on the forums... especially on thefuse!
im guessing some ppl think if they open hundreds of threads complaining about jack and expressing their hate TPTB would hear them and kill off jack and change the whole show...
but if you check the names of the posters... they are the same 10 ppl posting!
and thats what makes us jack/foxy fans defend the guy... the level of the hate for the character and sometimes even the actor is ridicilous and its the same ppl doing this "lets spread shit at jack in every thread" campaign...
we are so fed up with reading the same crap from the same ppl on different websites!
Luthien i never saw that quotes that you posted it . Link please?
crazy_sexy_cool said...
Anyway congrats to MF,EM and ME!. The top ten Emmy finalits for drama are announced and Lost is in :
http://cdn.emmys.tv/awards/2008pte/topten.php
Thanks for posting this. I'd been wondering when we'd hear anything about Emmy nominations.
sawyer840 said...
I think all actors of Lost would deserve it and why only the same faces gets such a notice?
I really hope they stop to overlook special other actors, as Evie, Josh, Jorge and so on!
I agree whole-heartedly.
I hope Evangeline Lilly gets a nom in the Emmy's or Golden Globes. :((
crazy_sexy_cool said,
"Luthien I never saw that quotes that you posted it . Link please?"
Just read the comments, if you read them you'll know Luthien's right!
Also,
Jack haters are everywhere and Isabele is just one of them so lets not take it all on the girl...
I agree that Evangeline should at least get a nom for The Emmy or The Golden Globes. She's a cast member who has a lot of haters. Evie and Foxy should be more respected and least bashed from people!
blandestk said...
man, all the jack haters must be beside themselves.
Why? You can hate the character Jack as much as you want and still be happy about nominations for the show and it's actors. I sure am.
Once again it's obvious that (some) Jack and MF-fans have a hard time see the difference between reality and fiction.
Anyway... Congratulations to both the show itself and MF, EM and of course Michael Emerson. Get the guy the prize already!
Once again it's obvious that (some) Jack and MF-fans have a hard time see the difference between reality and fiction.
No, it isn't the the Jack/MF fans that can't make this distinction. Cruise on over to Fishbiscuitland and see delusion at it's finest or worst depending on how you view that sort of thing or go into any thread here where MF is mentioned and you'll see how ZOMG he called Kate a slut, or ZOMG he said the f-word, or ZOMG he's oppressive and the whole cast hates him, or ZOMG TOQ isn't going to put up with him.....do you need more examples? How about ZOMG!! the rotten, self-serving bastard had the gall to allegedly ask for a raise and all the stupid, nasty comments that went along with that or heck just skip over to the polls page where I guess making fun of the man and his movies has become a sport.
You know what's worse than the nonstop Jack/MF bashing? It's those that like show up and pretend it doesn't happen, that aww it's just over-sensitive Jack/MF fans. Tell ya what, you show me any place where any other character is raked over the coals with so much hatred and venom over and over and over and I'll admit that I just haven't been paying attention. I can't imagine why people who supposedly hate a character so much spend the majority of their time obsessing over him, but I think Freud would find them very interesting.
"You know what's worse than the nonstop Jack/MF bashing? It's those that like show up and pretend it doesn't happen, that aww it's just over-sensitive Jack/MF fans. Tell ya what, you show me any place where any other character is raked over the coals with so much hatred and venom over and over and over and I'll admit that I just haven't been paying attention. I can't imagine why people who supposedly hate a character so much spend the majority of their time obsessing over him, but I think Freud would find them very interesting."
Dear Katieb have a look at the Anti-Sawyer thread at the Fuse. You will see what is a character bashing and how the same people over and over again spend the majority of their time olnly to bash Sawyer and even Josh.
the thing is, no one is obsessing.
news pops up about jack.
people say "wow thats cool"
or
"oh, he sucks"
and that could be the end.
but then someone says
"oh you can't think he sucks!"
this is where it goes stupid.
then you have people saying, only say nice things...blah blah blah
these threads are for stating opinions.
some are encouraging, some are not.
an opinion is not a fact, therefore, don't get your panties in a twist people.
oops, "then you have people saying, "SAY only nice things"....
"@isabelle
I don't really care about this argument, as I like both Sawyer and Jack. But, for you to say that Jack fans are too defensive and offensive to other fans is kind of the pot calling the kettle black. In all this Jack/Sawyer bashing, you are one of the main one's I always see on the Sawyer side, complaining about how much you hate Jack, and always infiltrating a Jack thread to express your hate. You seem to always throw around the Jack fans are idiots ball a lot, but the way I see it, you are just as bad as any of them. You're always right in the middle of it."
OMG that is an outright lie. I bash jack. i'm allowed. he is a fictional character who does not take offence to what i say as he is not real! i NEVER insult other fans, and "throw the idiot ball around" as i specifically make a point of not doing that. I disagree with them, but i have this view that nobodys interpretations are wrong. i have been insulted to no end by SOME jack fans, and i have seen kristin and fishbiscuit receive the same treatment. for example, just a few comments above, katieb has people at fishbiscuitland delusional. i delberately make a point of not insulting fellow lost fans and for you to say otherwise, it just plain rude, and outright lie, and completely out of order to be honest. So what is i dont like jack? he isnt real! i can say what i wnat about a character in my fave tv show! what is unacceptable is bashing fellow fans, and i see this frequently from jack fans, and i NEVER do it.
crazy - "That is not truth. I never saw Isabele to call Jack fans idiot and to bash Jack. Don't lie. And there is some problem if she is on Sawyers " side" ?. I am too."
thankyou for defending me. :) :) :) I do criticise jack cos i dont like the character, but i try to do it in a mature, structured way with plenty of examples, and your right, i never call jack fans idiots. Also, your right, there is nothing wrong with being on sawyers "side" (if there even is "sides"). :) :) :)
Dear Katieb have a look at the Anti-Sawyer thread at the Fuse. You will see what is a character bashing and how the same people over and over again spend the majority of their time olnly to bash Sawyer and even Josh.
Yes, I've seen those tasteless threads. They're full of the same repetitive nonsense by the same irritating shippers who are tearing down characters because they want their guy to have the girl. I find it makes me roll my eyes and wonder if either side realizes how transparent they are. My opinion is that all those participating in either thread are equally pathetic.
Have you gone inside the epsiode threads where the Anti-Jack coalition lives the majority of the time, picking apart every little thing they can find about Jack to pick apart? Have you noticed that threads about Jack or forums dedicated to Jack or Jate have twice as many views as the rest? That's the obession I'm talking about. If I don't like something, I certainly don't spend all of my time reading about the thing I don't like.
I'm bowing out now. I'm in too good of a mood to rehash this same tired argument.
I have to agree that MF being designated as the Lead over someone like ME is arbitrary and meaningless on an ensemble show like this one. But it's not as if these are important awards, are they? I never heard of them before.
When it comes to the Emmys, ME will get the big prize this year I think, while MF (who I also find very wooden when he isn't given some tantrum to perform) won't even be nominated.
@gary--
I agree ME will totally win that Emmy! but it will be in the supporting category. Mark my words. Not fair, but industry standard.
Speaking of Emmys, did everyone see that they released the drama finalists early, and Lost is there?!? Yay! (Though I think The Wire will walk away with it, this being it's final season and all...)
No, it isn't the the Jack/MF fans that can't make this distinction. Cruise on over to Fishbiscuitland and see delusion at it's finest or worst depending on how you view that sort of thing or go into any thread here where MF is mentioned and you'll see how ZOMG he called Kate a slut, or ZOMG he said the f-word, or ZOMG he's oppressive and the whole cast hates him, or ZOMG TOQ isn't going to put up with him.....do you need more examples? How about ZOMG!! the rotten, self-serving bastard had the gall to allegedly ask for a raise and all the stupid, nasty comments that went along with that or heck just skip over to the polls page where I guess making fun of the man and his movies has become a sport.
If the people over there bother you so much, why do you spend so much time on that website and read all their posts? I mean, I've seen you mention that website at least a dozen times by now. You're actually advertising it. If the opinion of the people over there bothers you so much, just don't go onto that website.
anti threads are for people who dont like a character so saying ppl are talking negative about sawyer in the anti-sawyer thread is kinda pointless... go to the anti-jack thread and you will see that same goes there too...
what i was talking about was the anti-jack campaign going on on the episode discussions and general boards...
of course they are the same ppl who post to the anti-jack threads its just they dont satisfiy with posting only in the hate boards...
GregDean and isabelle:
My respect to you people for understanding the BIG BIG and again VERY BIG difference between a fictinal character and an ACTOR who plays that character!
I don't understand why people can't just understand this. I actually wonder if these people have real things to deal with in their lives.
I personally HAAAAATE Sawyer more than any other character on the show, but thank god, I'm not that stupid to hate JOSH HOLLOWAY for playing Sawyer, he really has my respect.
On the other hand, I think the fact that so many people hate Jack, and excuse me, were stupid enough to hate Matthew Fox as well, means that he's playing the character VERY WELL.
I also may add that the people who choses actors and give them awards SURELY know better than all of us, so calm down.
Congratulations to Matthew, Michael and Elizabeth, they all deserve it.
All the actors and actresses on Lost are amazing.
ewiess - exactly! fox is a terrific actor, i've always thought so, but its just the character that doesnt particularly appeal to me. and it would be the same if anyone else played him so it has absolutely nothing to do with MF whatsoever. he deserves the award. i just wish that TOQ would have had the honor of being put in the lead catergory with him, since they are both the leads imo, and would have had an equal chance of winning.
@isabelle- I think TOQ is a terrific actor, also and I really appreciate his great talent. but I think I read somewhere that each show has to pick two leads at the beginning of the show, and they picked Matthew as the leading male, and Evangeline as the leading female, and I also read that this don't change later on. I know that this isn't fair for the rest of the cast, but still, neither Matthew or Evangeline had a hand in that.
I hope Lost gets nominated for many Emmys this year. :)
Congratulations to the three of them. I think Elizabeth Mitchell, BTW, has done a great great job with Juliet, she really deserves all the awards she gets. Matthew Fox also did a very good job and, IMO, his best has been the flash forwards Jack. Anyway, I agree and would like to see Terry O'Quinn nominated as best Tv Actor, not supporting, but I suppose it's just a category used by the industry.
And well, Michael Emerson, what can I say about him more than he really deserved his award and each of the future ones he gets. Ben is a character that has been growing on me to the highest and I'm looking forward for the Emmy's, because I hope he wins, he has to, and I'll be watching and cheering for him :D Go, Michael, go!!!
I'm also glad Terry O'Quinn and Josh Holloway were nominated.
BTW, Surly, I agree with you. The supporting actors/actresses are usually the most colorful and interesting.
Wow, sorry but don't agree with Elizabeth Mitchell getting an award for Best Supporting Actress or Foxy getting an award for Best Actor in any forum and hope that this is NOT The Shape of Things to Come lol. Michael Emerson, Best Supporting Actor, are you kidding me, supporting actor? Maybe they only watched TBOTE where he was tied to a tree and dragged around by a rope for most of the episode. These choices will not make me a fan of the Saturn Awards any time soon though this is the first i've heard of them. IMO very poor, other than Best Series but come on, we pretty much had that one in the bag due to the writers strike. How about Best Actor: Michael Emerson; Best Supporting Actor: Henry Ian Cusick; Best Actor in a Guest Appearance Role (however it's worded): Kevin Durand; Best Actress: Kim Jun-Jin; where is the "acting" with Elizabeth? Same monotone talking in anything i've ever seen her in including playing a nun on House. No, she will not get my vote for Peoples Choice Awards that's for sure, nor will Evie.
After googling the Saturn Awards and being a fan of both Dexter and LOST, Michael C Hall, IMO should have won the Best Actor category hands down over Matthew Fox. MCH as Dexter does an amazing job. I'll be hoping for a better list of nominees come the Emmy's when they're announced in July and don't underestimated Michael C. Hall and Hugh Laurie if Michael Emerson is not considered anything more than "Best Supporting Actor". We tend to have tunnel vision when it comes to LOST, I understand that. What LOST has is a group that has amazing chemistry together (hence Best Series)however very few of them individually are stand alone outstanding actors/actresses. I do not agree that Matthew Fox and Evangeline Lilly are deserving of the title best actor and best actress, even with there being less to choose from due to the strike. Let us see what the Emmy Academy thinks.
Lostinnj,
I agree with you on the best actor/actress and supporting ones, but there isn't much we can do about it. Those categories are used with almost every award out there, the serious and the not so serious ones. Usually, there's one lead actor and one lead actress, the rest are supporting. Ironic, I know, but that's the way it is.
Believe me, I think Michael Emerson deserves more than just being awarded as a "supporting" actor. I think the same thing when it comes to O'Quinn and some others. Anyway, I don't know you, but "the leads" rarely are my favourites so, I'm pretty used to this... to the point I also rarely watch the awards ceremonies. But that's just me.
I don't agree with you when it comes to Elizabeth Mitchell and the LOST cast, though, but everybody has different opinions and I respect yours ;)
Cheers, mate.
G-Man said... Good for Emerson and for Best TV series, but Fox and Mitchell weren't as solid this season as in year's past
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Mitchell just didn't have any real solid storyline. Still don't like Jack, but I am starting to warm up to Foxy.
And Emerson, well, he's just bloody awesome :)
I think Foxy will get a nom for a Emmy, because of his great performance as Jack in the FF. He's doing a great job! I also hope Evie get a nom.
ME will win a Emmy for sure, that's a fact! |o|
ITA mikas... i think jack was so great in all the FF's...
but he was also great in on island scenes so i believe he -at least- deserves a nom but we are talking about Emmy's here so im not keeping my hopes high ;)