THE MAN WHO WASN'T THERE

As I was going on the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today.
I wish to God he'd go away. - Anonymous
It's hard to tell what invisible man Jack was more afraid of in this episode.

The shadow of Han Sawyer.

The father who won't let go, even from beyond the grave.

Or the little voice inside his head that won't stop reminding him what a fraud he is.

Yup, it's a Jack episode, folks.

That's right. Another one.
It wasn't a Jack Back

and it wasn't as far Jack Fro as we've gone before.

It was somewhere in the middle.
This season has featured plot heavily over character. Whether that has been a good thing or not probably depends on your reasons for watching the show. The Lost fandom is not an easy family to please. An episode that sends the myth fans off into an ecstatic orgy of clue parsing might leave the shippers a little unsatisfied. So it only seems fair for the writers to throw a juicy wet fish kiss to the romance fans once in awhile. Romance stories have a different feel to them.

Sometimes it seems people can't get their minds off it even when they're in the middle of a death defying emergency.

OK, so he likes her, but does he like like her? Enquiring minds need to know.
Now, it's not that those all important clues were ignored. Not at all. Jack's BoSox lost a three game sweep to the Yanks,

placing our episode in the timespace of August, 2007. Meaning Aaron is coming up on his third birthday. And we'd be lazy Lost fans if we didn't notice that Aaron's really big stuffed toy was a killer whale,

indigenous to Arctic and Antarctic regions - polar regions - areas where magnetic field lines enter and exit the earth's force field

... and an area hinted at frequently, from Penny's search mission

to Sawyer's Risk win

to Ben's preferred couture for time travel.

See! This stuff isn't hard at all!
Hurley's thousand mile stare is seeing something even farther away than wherever Charlie is...

...and he did leave us with the tantalizing hope that this entire episode was just a bad dream in a dead man's mind.
Charlotte apparently speaks Korean.

No idea what that means, but you know that on Lost, there are no coincidences.
My personal favorite clue was this one.

The Millennium Falcon Jack tripped over using Sawyer's signature curse. Sonuvvabitch! Indeed! Here's Jack, escaped from his marooning on Psycho Island, living large in L.A. , finally got Kate all to himself without that damn hillbilly around and who does he trip over first thing in the morning?

From the very first moments of this episode, to the very end, in true Lost triangle fashion, that redneck son of a bitch was smack in the middle of Jack's connubial bliss. Only fools are enslaved by time and space, buddy.

One thing we learned in this episode is that whatever happened on The Island did NOT stay on The Island. It keeps following them all like a bad dream. It all starts here - with Jack talking to a mystery person inside his shower.

We're intrigued. Who could it be?
Bobby Ewing?

Janet Leigh?

No! It's our old friend Monica!

Remember her? One of Kate's all time best impersonations. Just like Monica,

this Kate prefers the lemur style of kissing.

Like Monica,

she's very clever in the kitchen.

And like Monica,

she's hooked on serial matrimony.

Only this time Monica has moved it on up. From cop to doctor! That's upward mobility for Monica - she's not eating too many tacos these days. Being one of the fortunate 6 who got off The Island has paid off - a big fancy house, someone else's little son, a nanny and a life of playgroup leisure.

Not to mention her very own Get Out of Jail Free card. Monica is living the ultimate American Dream - wealth through litigation.
Strangely, Jack does not seem to be enjoying the champagne dreams and caviar wishes nearly as much.

How did I get here?
This is not my beautiful house.
This is not my beautiful wife. - Talking Heads

Maybe his head is spinning, like ours was, by the way their entire relationship is flying by his eyes in hyperdrive. This was like the quickest life and death of a love story ever! They didn't even have time to show us how they first got together. No first kiss. No first surrender. No first discoveries. We entered this grim little melodrama already in progress.
Jack and Kate are living together!

They have a kid!

They have implied offscreen sex!

Look! Quick! They're getting engaged!

It's all going so well!

Until, that is, the next day...the very next day... when Jack already suspects she is cheating!

Not a second is wasted. Instantly, he's drowning his sorrows and feeling very put upon.

A day or so later, he's moved on to full blown pill popping drunk, getting plowed when he's left alone with the kid.

He's insulting her and letting her know who's boss.

.....Aaaaand he's outta there.

In record time!

This was definitely the Readers Digest condensed version of a relationship. Apparently they didn't want the audience to have to deal with this shit for too long, so they tossed the whole salad into one tidy episode. Virtual marriage and virtual divorce all in one bargain basement fire sale. It was like when the freezer breaks down and you have to eat all the ice cream before it melts. Even if it makes you feel sick afterwards... Since it was inevitable they had to go there with this couple eventually, it was at least merciful of them to tear ass through it like they had a train to catch. Think of it as speed jating. And besides, that wasn't really the point of the episode.
This was a Jack episode, remember. That means we all had to stop and do what Jack does every day - obsess over Jack.

I wanna talk about me
Wanna talk about I
Wanna talk about number one
Oh my me my
What I think, what I like, what I know, what I want, what I see
I wanna talk abut ME! - Toby Keith
We learned in this episode that Jack's downward spiral wasn't triggered by guilt over those he couldn't save, but by that same old self obsession with dear old dad. Even the mopey little marriage proposal was all about Jack. Once Kate told him she thought he was good at "this", he whipped out the ring. No declarations of love for the wife to be. All he wanted was a Good Housekeeper's stamp of approval on his fatherly talents. It was a weird motivation to marry. And sad. In fact, I don't know if Jack looked more miserable about facing battlefield surgery

or about facing a life of wedded bliss with Monica.

Navel gazing certainly took on new meaning in this episode.

When Jack's appendix flared up, just hours before the imaginary rescue team were due to arrive, Jack couldn't relinquish control to another qualified physician. He had a doctor

and a nurse,

both gallantly trying to save his smug, condescending ass...but he didn't trust them. We saw a level of narcissism in Jack here that was actually scary.

This is a man with such an extravagant opinion of his own powers and such a need to control every aspect of his existence that he actually thought it made more sense for him to micromanage his own gut surgery via mirror.

And in the way of Lost, where every week we watch otherwise intelligent adults toddle after Jack as if he were some kind of deity, Juliet inexplicably caved in to his demands.

Though even Juliet has her limits.
Now it's probably true that obnoxious control freaks like Jack are coming from a place of deeprooted insecurity. They probably all have daddies they can blame their own arrested development on. But most of them probably don't have dads quite as clinging as Christian Shephard. Christian continues to disbelieve in his own non existence.

Cleverly, he let the smoke monster announce his presence in the hospital,

beeping to Jack through a dying battery in the smoke detector.

Christian was much more direct with his daughter Claire, leading her from the smoky campfire into a mysterious jungle walkabout.

The shadow line of life and death was almost visible at times.

Miles, the ghost whisperer, who heard the dying cries of Rousseau and Karl, also saw Claire leave camp with her Dad. The dead are always with us in this story.

As Hurley warned Jack, in Jacob Marleyesque fashion, he would be visited by spirits. On Lost, the men who aren't there...

don't ever seem to go away.
I know we're supposed to all feel really sorry for Jack because he had a drunk dad. Jack learned from his dad that the best way to cope with babysitting is to drink....a LOT.

But he also learned that dads are supposed to read to kids at bedtime.

I think Jack's dad should have explained that Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland isn't exactly on the nursery school reading list, but hey! At least he's trying. He's explaining to Aaron that the world is very confusing and sometimes it's hard to know which end is up.

"Alice took up the fan and gloves, and, as the hall was very hot, she kept fanning herself all the time she went on talking: "Dear, dear! How queer everything is today! And yesterday things went on just as usual. I wonder if I've been changed in the night? Let me think: was I the same when I got up this morning? I almost think I can remember feeling a little different. But if I'm not the same, the next question is, Who in the world am I? Ah, that's the great puzzle!"
We can see why Jack is concerned with feeling different. He did seem a lot different from the man we'd seen on The Island. For one thing,

his chest went bald!

Or maybe that's why Kate keeps buying him razors.

Because you know this man can go through some razors!
It was a bit of puzzlement to see Jack, the great hero of Lost Island, reduced to a whiny, bullying drunk here on the other side of the looking glass

...while back on the Island, the man who isn't there, the worthless hillbilly,

never looked more the chivalrous knight.

Something has happened to shake Jack's belief in his heroic destiny. We still don't know what. We don't know all the details of how he failed or who he failed. Still, he must learn somehow to cope. He could probably benefit from some kind of self help program.

But, for now Jack has his own method of keeping himself on top of that pedestal he's built for himself. Self righteous bullying still works for him.

As he told Kate, "I'm the one who SAVED YOU!" Possessiveness is another coping strategy. He deserves to know where Kate has been...but he doesn't have to tell her about his night runs to the insane asylum.

In the great grand tradition of addicts the world over,

Mr. Live Together Die Alone still prizes himself as Exceptional. It may look like he's going bananas with zippers on them, but he still knows he's better than Kate.

As he told her in no uncertain terms, she's a fraud pretending to be Aaron's mother. He may only be the nasty drunk uncle, but he's still related to Aaron. Neener neener....As Speed Jate crashed and burned, as their lies and secrets spun out of control, Jack let Kate have it with both barrels. It's to his credit that he walked out before it got physical -

- and to Kate's for realizing that the Waynes of this world come in every economic bracket - but it was still an ugly scene. It did have a certain air of familiarity about it.
Jack raging.

Kate crying.

Ahhh, felt like old times. That's the Jack and Kate we all know and love.
It turns out that the invisible man Jack is most afraid of

... is Sawyer.
Because It seems Kate didn't leave Sawyer behind on that Island the way we all thought she did. There's something she's doing for him, something mysterious, that she didn't let Jack bully out of her.

She's keeping a Promise. She's keeping a Secret. And she's keeping it between her and Sawyer, even if he will never know.

It's about the purest kind of promise keeping there is.
Kate isn't the only one carrying promises across time and space . Promises were important in this episode. Brave Juliet promised to save Jack's life, and she did.

Noble Jin promised to get Sun off the Island, and we know that he did.

Sawyer, the newly minted White Knight, promised to get Claire and Aaron back to the beach,

and damn, but he was trying. Jack also promised, before collapsing with the appendicitis we already knew he'd survive, that he'd get everyone off the Island - "All of us." And that was the promise, as we know, that was not kept.
A promise distills down to trust. Kate is honoring Sawyer's trust by fulfilling a promise even though he'll probably never know she did. And Kate was trusting Jack to somehow become Aaron's good dad even though he's a domestic nightmare. But Jack doesn't trust. He didn't trust Juliet, who knew she'd always be second best in Jack's heart.

He doesn't trust Kate, who he knows will never let him be first in hers.
At the end of the episode, Kate decided she wasn't going to hold up any more mirrors for Jack's self indulgent inner journeys. It was a good thing too. The last thing Aaron needs is to have the sins of the Family Shephard revisited on his little blond head.

Of course, there's still that inconvenient glitch that apparently being "raised by another" will bring about great cosmic catastrophe of some kind. Aaron is important in the mythology in ways none of us know yet. He is The Ring in this story.


It was important to note which two characters were shown protecting The Precious in the final moments of the story. It's the kind of clue that we romance fans are often better able to decipher, the kind so often lost on the straight up myth boys.

In the future, Aaron is safe with a woman who finally loves someone more than she loves herself.

But the only reason he's there at all is because on the Island there was a man who was learning that same lesson.

There's one thing I do love about Lost and it's clues

...there's no such thing as coincidence.


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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 221 Newer› Newest»Cue a load of fools going:
"Waah, it's just a load of pictures!"
It always has been, so get over it.
Funny stuff as usual. Keep it up.
Useless as usual. I cant believe this guy calls himself a critic.
All he knows is hate for Jack ...... Calling him a fraud is really crossing the line. Hes done a lot for the survivors even if it doesnt pan out for him in the future.
Of course SHE hates Jack.
What's your point?
The problem is some people make the mistake of treating this like an objective re-cap. It isn't, and doesn't pretend to be. However it does occasionally raise some very interesting issues, eg. the holding the baby correlation at the end.
A symptom of insanity is expecting different results by doing the same thing. It seems to me the same people click on this expecting her not to lay into Jack, and then cry when she does.
Great review! Keep it up.
What is a "shipper"?
Hahaha- I love it!!!
omg!!! i loved this! i agree with every word! and i especially loved the sawyer-kate protectors of aaron at the end. great read! this is my first fishbiscuit read, but now i will read every week. she got everything spot on if you ask me.
nathan - a shipper is someone who suports the relationSHIPS. eg - skater (sawyer and kate, jater jack and kate)
dancon - if you dont like fishbisciuts reviews, dont read them! :)
i cant get over how funny this is. god, i've been missing out. lol :)
This was a fantastic recap and it's true, Jack needs some self-help. Problem is that he's too arrogant and stubborn to admit to himself that he has a problem and needs help. He needs to fix himself instead of Sarah or Kate.
i didn't catch the sawyer-Kate correlation at the end! great review, and you've dissected Jacks character correctly!
That was an awesome review,Fish!
The last part was my fave, so true and emotional.
Thank you!
So basically, I was actually expecting even more criticism of Jack, because he totally sucked balls in this episode. Whiny b*tch. Anyway, great recap! Not really a shipper, but I quite like the Sawyer/Kate thing with Aaron at the end. Nicely done. :-)
stupid as usual but that doesnt surprise me!
Great review, loved it! I hadn't quite realized the protectors of Aaron piece either, that is interesting.
Personally I like your recaps with all the pics, it is another way of exploring the episode that is refreshing.
I thought 'Something nice back home' was largely throwaway until I read this. Now it's arrival seems positively timely.
For if it had waited just a week longer...the pent-up Jack aversion may well have caused something catastrophic to happen to the author. Phew! ;)
Coincidences are indeed a rare breed on Lost, but less unique are instances of recovery and redemption. I do hope you've kept a few Jack gags in reserve, for they will greatly aid the maintaining of a brave face when this fallen hero regains his equilibrium.
Thanks for the answer, Isabelle. Here, we call shippers "women."
Good recap!. Your Sawyer and Kate correlation, at the end was great.
nathan - "Thanks for the answer, Isabelle. Here, we call shippers "women.""
lol. its true though, i think most shippers are females.
ps. have to say it again, i love the sawyer-kate thing at the end!! great review, i even read it twice so i could laugh in agreement all over again! xx :)
Awesome recap, as usual, Fish.
10 minutes of reading that make it so much more entertaining. Loved all the smart parallels and Jate autopsy.
Hehe, you know you hit home when people bother to read you just to say they hated it, over and over again.
Keep it up!
Haha. Very funny and clever.
Waah, it's just a load of pictures!
Cue a load of yanks who wouldn't know humour if it smacked them on the arse with a wet haddock. ;)
Meant to add that I loved the "speed-jate" comments - I had the same thoughts as I watched the epi.
Their story is much like a band-aid, just do it quickly and get it over with. :)
This is a review of LOST?
You've completely missed the point. In case you haven't figured it out by now, this show is about Jack and his journey towards 'redemption', self-acceptance, whatever you wanna call it. Everyone else is on the peripheral as characters who will help him get there.
If after 4 seasons you haven't picked up on this, please go back and watch the DVDs. And STOP PLAGIARIZING!
Brilliant, as usual.
You're insane. Just FYI.
rsk - "You've completely missed the point. In case you haven't figured it out by now, this show is about Jack and his journey towards 'redemption', self-acceptance, whatever you wanna call it. Everyone else is on the peripheral as characters who will help him get there."
LMFAO!!!! you actually think the whole show is about jack! lol lol lol. newsflash, it is about all of the characters and the mysteries. jesus f**king christ, i cant believe that people ACTUALLY believe this is the jack show. i thought the "jack show" thing was just a sarcastic comment made by people that are fed up of jack, but people actually think this show is ALL ABOUT JACK?
i cant get over that. sorry to say, but i think YOU are the one who has missed the point.
That's pathetic. You can't even say that you stole that retarded little poem from a movie. Nice one.
wow it was great....i read it three times...n i really hadn't noticed sawyer/kate-aaron thing n thanks for it.........i guess the only people who didn't like this fantastic article r desperate jaters............lol.......n now who can still disagree that SKATE IS FATE?????
lol jack show????????still desperate jaters...........lol...im really sorry for them........isabelle maybe we can b friends if u'll read this......
sawyerloveskate - "n now who can still disagree that SKATE IS FATE?????"
yes!! totally agree! skate is fate!! see, jaters, that rhymnes too...lol
".isabelle maybe we can b friends if u'll read this......"
i extend my friendship to all skaters! :) xx
What the heck is a jater?
All I gotta say is...wait, watch and see...like Gregg does.
rsk - a jater is a fan of the 'realtionship' between jack and kate.
If Aaron is the ring, then Miles is Gollum and Sawyer is Sam. Only problem is, Frodo just got hoodwinked.
Awesome recap, Fish! Sawyer’s ‘invisible’ presence was all throughout the entire FF, starting with hairless Jack and his “sonuvabitch” outburst.
I loved the “I wanna talk about me” song reference. Two years later after the island, Jack hasn’t stopped trying to control things and people, and Kate values Sawyer’s secret enough to jeopardize her relationship with Jack, while in current time on the island Sawyer is becoming the White Knight.
And you about killed me with In the future, Aaron is safe with a woman who finally loves someone more than she loves herself. But the only reason he's there at all is because on the Island there was a man who was learning that same lesson.
You’re right, there’s no such thing as coincidence. There is fate and destiny, and those last two scenes people are left with in their mind for a week.
Perfect review!
How is it...how is it possible for you to review this show? Jack is uh...he's the main character. I can understand not liking him, but uh...trying to flaunt Sawyer over him? I can understand LIKING Sawyer's character (hell I do), but he's, uh...he's in NO WAY the focus of this show, and was never intended to be.
I have to say, in complete honest, that your treatment of this episode is just sort of annoying. There's a completely different take that I just think you're missing.
A big part is Monica...uh...are we going to dismiss how happy she was with Kevin? That was HAPPINESS. And Tom? Her childhood sweetheart Tom? That she LOVED and still did, enough to hero-worship a toy airplane? The difference with Jack is that he a) knows about her past whereas Kate /couldn't tell/ Kevin without drugging him, and b) he's got his own issues, whereas Tom was never presented with any.
To think that Kate never wanted the sort of life she has is a misrepresentation of her character. As much as Skaters love the idea that Kate is a bad-ass ass-kicker who would NEVER do Taco Night...she clearly DOES. The way she dresses, even on the Island, speaks to the fact that she really does have a girly side, who would love to make waffles with smiley faces (don't bring up "I've never worn pink." She's clearly worn purple, and make-up, and done her hair with reckless abandon by her own choice). And how upset she got with Sawyer re: unborn child? She WANTED one, like some of the other reviewers on this site have fleshed out.
I assume you have a problem with people with money. That because Jack has led a privileged life, he doesn't deserve to have any issues at all. We see that Sawyer's were more intense, and his life is no better or more manageable for it...but Jack doesn't get any courtesy at all? Come on.
Jack hate is just redundant to me. It's like you haven't been watching the show at all - which I KNOW isn't the case.
Sawyer's a good character. And I'm sure you're here to appease the other vocal critics of the site, who worship the character (I'll say it: blindly) and have the same perverse opinion of this show (and seem to have forgotten the Pilot episode entirely).
I know these comments should be taken elsewhere, and they have. I'm just saying that this sort of review belongs in a personal blog (like the one you have), rather than on a site that is supposedly dedicated to TPTB's opinion of the show, and their intentions with it.
Not to say that you're not funny, because you are...just that prettybutt's reviews leave me in tears of pure laughter (and have no bias when it comes to bashing), and this...this just makes me and all the people I know...cringe.
Ah, I see. Thanks, Isabelle. And I'm assuming Skate is Sawyer & Kate? Cute.
I think if people actually put the show's narrative in retrospect, they would see that there's a reason for everything. There's a reason why Jack is an asshole. There's a reason why Jack is an unpleasant, unlikable, insecure dipshit. Now, that said, this show is about character redemption and each character's relationship with the island. If you think of it as an intricate web, you'll find that all points end or lead to Jack. Everything is about cause and effect - one event or decision leads to another that affects someone that affects someone else that, inexorably, affects Jack because he's the one making the decisions for the group.
I understand that this is a show about multi-characters, but bottom line, we're supposed to dislike Jack. Once Jack is on that path to redemption, part of that journey will include him 'letting go' - and he will redeem himself both in the eyes of the island and us, the audience. Jesus, to think I went through all this to respond to some whiny post about me being a jater. Sigh.
Yeah, I know what I just said wasn't perfectly written. I was only called here because other people I know had started to complain about how your reviews ended up here...so uh, the first have is sort of emotional. I'm sorry for that.
But I really think you just haven't been watching the show correctly to dismiss Jack's character as such. It's one thing to hold his issues against him, but it's another to just blindly bash the guy. And it's ANOTHER to blindly worship Sawyer over him. If their moments from s2 and 3 can say anything...it's that they don't conceive of the same competition.
"As much as Skaters love the idea that Kate is a bad-ass ass-kicker who would NEVER do Taco Night...she clearly DOES."
i'm a skater and i like taco kate. even though it was never truly her being her actual self, but i like her that way nonetheless. but not with jack.
"I assume you have a problem with people with money."
i wont even ask how you came to that assumption.
as hatebox says above, fishbiscuit is biased, and doesnt pretend not to be. and there are ALOT of people who agree with her opinions.
"I'm just saying that this sort of review belongs in a personal blog (like the one you have), rather than on a site that is supposedly dedicated to TPTB's opinion of the show, and their intentions with it."
dark posted this here because people clearly enjoy so how can you say that this review doesnt belong here? it does. we love reading it.
if you dont like it, then my advice is, dont read it, and dont comment on it! :)
Isabelle (Bah, I can't believe I'm getting into this):
Can you keep the "Jesus" and the "F**cking" out of the same sentence? I've never been religious at all, and I take offense to that. Sorry. I know you're a pretty defensive person, but...you know...er...civility, maybe.
But uh...maybe re-watch the Pilot? Take into account that Jack has had the most centric episodes? I'm not saying the show's all about him, but he is considered the only 'main character' in terms of Emmy nods, as far as I know. The show is undeniably very much about his character, and his imperfections.
Alilamba I agree with your entire rant which is why I never waste my time reading Fish's junk. She's been spewing the same pathetic Jack hate/Sawyer love for years and it has nothing to do with what's been presented on the screen, but instead her own imaginary version of Lost. It's pointless, but it keeps her band of followers happy so whatever.
Oh and I agree, Prettybutt's recaps are hysterical and 100 times better than some bitter woman's feeble attempt at humor at the expense of the show's lead character. If it were just occasional jabs at Jack it would be funny, but it's constant, an obsession, kind of scary. I've always suggested MF should beef up the security around him anytime he's in Fish's hometown.
HAHA, I always read your recaps, love them all and every damn time I’m sitting here laughing my ass off! But this one... Honestly... You are a freaking genius! THANK YOU, Fish!
And... "Speed jating"!! Best one so far! :D
That's pathetic. You can't even say that you stole that retarded little poem from a movie. Nice one. - Tom
Your ignorance is showing. That little rhyme has been around for decades, at least, since I remember my Mom taught it to me and said she had learned it as a girl. We used it in skipping.
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Really fun recap, Fish! I laughed all the way through the "speed-jating" description to the "Aaannnd he's outta there." It was blessedly swift, with only one kiss to get through. The second on in the hall way was shot from such a distance away, with Kate's hair hanging down, that they could have been rubbing noses for all we were forced to see of it, and I had to wonder if Evi had stipulated that her groin area had to be at least a foot above his because he was holding her up so weirdly high. No matter, they just don't have chemistry and never have... and the scenes were obviously written in keeping with that.
The proposal was pathetic and, unsurprisingly, All. About. Jack. He asks Kate if he's "good at this" and when she reassures him - poor needy little bugger that he is - he pops the question and asks her to marry him. No "I love you, Kate." Nothing about how wonderful she is or how much he wants to spend his life with her. Nothing. Nada. Goose Egg. She says "Yes" and they HUG! No kiss, no passion, nothing but Jack with a terrified look on his face. Some romance. NOT!
What I love most is that Jate played out EXACTLY the way Skaters have predicted it would for years. Kate making it work as long as she has all her illusions about him intact, i.e. as long as Jack is on the little pedestal she put him on. Jack being so All-About-Me that it would fall apart the minute he didn't feel he had total control of her, the minute she stepped out of the image he wanted her to live, or gave any sign of having an interior life he didn't dominate completely, their whole dynamic disintegrates into what has been turning Skaters off for years, i.e. Jack yelling and berating and Kate crying and groveling. The welcome twist is that Kate doesn't apologize and grovel any more. She has Aaron to care for and her priorities are straight, so she tells him he needs to get help and he can't be around Aaron. Go grown-up Kate! And then Jack, spiteful little bitch that he is, throws one more nasty barb about how she's not even related to Aaron, and staggers off... no doubt to find more booze. And Kate's illusions about him are now OVER, and I don't believe she'll be going back to him again. Thank heaven we finally got that out of the way.
Ahem... Back to the recap. I loved the link to Defamer ... whodathunk Jack's chest would make that big a stir? How do you find this stuff? LOL
Loved the juxtaposed images of Aaron with Kate and with Sawyer... those were the two last images we saw, one in the FF and one on the island. I don't think that's coincidence either. Great recap! :)
Taco Night sort of is who she "truly" is. Kate got straight-A's in school. She was in love with Tom. Remember the time capsule? She wanted to be married with ridiculous amounts of children. That's uh...that's something wishful, that she clearly holds on to.
The money thing was me being emotional, and I said sorry for that. But I think a lot of Jack-hate has to do with the fact that he's actually done well for himself, and was born into a certain lifestyle. But his own father issues sort of get dismissed, as if they don't hold any water. And any accredited psychologist will tell you otherwise. (and I will too)
A lot is two words. And I said that I think The Fish is funny. But I think that prettybutt is funnier, and she doesn't flaunt only one particular bias. If you haven't read her reviews on livejournal - do. They're freakin' hilarious.
The thing with not reading it, and not commenting on it:
That's my point exactly. I think that this sort of review is representative of too few perspectives to be considered valid in terms of this website. Not every person with a movie-review blog deserves to be read, and if Dark is trying to oblige the percentage of people who want a bash-ful review, I really prefer prettybutt. I mean...I didn't just "show up" here. I came here because the website I come from was literally cringing that a review like this could end up on a site like this.
We really do respect you, Dark. And Fish, we think you're hilarious. It's just...um... We just really think you're too objective (and misrepresent-ively so) for a site like this. You obviously have your followers...but it's exactly that. Your followers. And you'll always have them at your own personal blog.
Great review. I read them all, but look forward to yours the most.
That is a nice correlation at the end. hadn't thought of that.
With all due respect, alilamba, this review is enjoyed and appreciated by many fans outside of whoever you think FB's followers are. It's smart and funny and different and completely deserves to be featured on this site IMO. If you know of someone else who entertains Lost fans at this quality level, why not ask Dark UFO if he'd care to feature them.
Crikey if that was an example of humor, I think I'll stick with the yanks. Haddock?
Yes it is clear that there is absolutely no obejectivity in this review. Most people who have read these review's realize that by now. What I don't like about most of Fishbiscuits reviews is the negative sarcasm. I mean this is a show that we all clearly love, so why is the tone of the review so bitter and negative?
I find that a bit bizarre for a show that one seemingly loves.
Great recap Fish. Always enjoy reading ur recaps.
crikey said...
Waah, it's just a load of pictures!
Cue a load of yanks who wouldn't know humour if it smacked them on the arse with a wet haddock. ;)
I cudnt stop laughin when I read ur post mate!!
Are we watching the same show? Some people obviously watching a different show. It is amazing how people have different interpretations than others. I'd say you're too biased for your own good. I wouldn't call this a review. More like a bashfest. You obviously hate Jack. Fine but your perspective of Lost scares me... I'm clearly watching the wrong show...
gary - i couldnt agree more.
oh and the reason why matthew had a shaved chest is because of the film speed racer... i dont know why people keep ignoring that fact
Gary: prettybutt.livejournal.com
They're freakin' HILARIOUS. And yes, I do think that Fish brings up good points - especially the one about the women's roles mostly in service to men. But there are a lot of points that just...aren't...correct, and I think they can get confused.
And as much as I love her points...I really just can't take them with so much (what I see to be blind) character bashing, which I've addressed already. Every review just speaks to itself as more 'blog-worthy' than 'DarkUFO-worthy' (which I very much know to be a collection of blogs. We can both agree on the difference).
I disagree strongly with fisbiscuit's opinions on Jack.
First, what we can agree on - Jack is not perfect. Jack has self-esteem issues, and he judges his worth on how much other people depend on him. He can't accept that other people have secrets because, after his problems with his dad and Sarah, he feels that anything he doesn't know is just another problem he's not aware of yet. Anything unknown is scary to him because he can't control it.
But is he a fraud? Absolutely not - the mere mention of that is ridiculous. Jack has done so much to hold the survivor's together and get them to where they are now, and he feels personally responsible for the well-being of each and every one of them. All the little quirks fishbiscuit routinely makes fun of Jack for are manifestations of the overwhelming burden all that self-proclaimed responsibility is putting on his shoulders.
All the characters have flaws. Fishbiscuit's "ideal man" Sawyer is hardly a white knight - just watch his flashbacks or the whole first 2 seasons and see him repeatedly do terrible things and screw people over all for personal gain. I sure don't remember Jack doing anything like that. But oh, he's protecting Claire now so he's a true hero! What hogwash.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to bash Sawyer here, simply show the other side of the coin. Jack does not deserve nearly the amount of vitriol he gets here on a weekly basis, and these "recaps" are nothing but flame sessions with sassy comments under a series of pictures.
This woman and her obession for Jack and Matthew Fox freak the hell out of me.
I am so happy I don't live close to her!
I am 100% honest, not only I am scared but I feel pity for this woman.
If we take some skaters, fellow members of this blog, for example Isabelle, who seems a really nice girl, may I ask you why do you support her? Just to have someone pro-Skate who could group you altogether, build a community and gets her anti-Jack rewiew published?
I'm sure there are many other great leaders for your community around the net, much happier and more positive who adore Sawyer, Skate and Josh.
The lady has obviously an education, ok, and I understand it's appealing to have someone who can write nice essays on behalf of the community but your support for someone who's always so focussed on her hate for a fictional character doesn't make you look like a very positive group of people. People who are great fans of Lost but who would never hate a character until becoming obsessed by it because they realize it's only a fictional character.
Why doesn't she invest all this stamina in writing poems, essays, songs, creating videos about Sawyer and Josh? This would make you even happier!
What is this person going to do when Lost ends?? watch the reruns and find more reasons to hate Jack?
Go and stalk Matthew Fox?
Or maybe...she dated Foxy in the past before he met his wife, and he dumped her???
Listen, this is the only valid option for me, and I take this for granted...unless she's sending her essays from Santa Rosa :)
Maybe via this whole anti-Jack&Foxy organization she has set up, she wants to convey a message to people about how lonely and angry she feels..so she actually needs help!
So do help her!
I wonder if those who bash these reviews actually read them? This writer consistently reviews episodes with and without Jack in them. There's a perspective on Jack, but it's hardly out of the mainstream. Many, many Lost fans I hate to tell you really don't like the guy and enjoy the humorous aspects of how he's written. But the reviews are extremely well rounded, addresss all topics of the show, some with more admiration and some with less. People should read them before they get so worked up because it doesn't pay homage to a fictional character. Lighten up and enjoy your lives. There are a lot of ways to have fun with Lost and there's no need to try and silence a fun, hardworking reviewer just because it's not your cup of tea. Read the reviewers you enjoy and let others enjoy themselves as well.
Great job, FB. Don't ever let them get to you.
Some snippets from Alilamba :
I know these comments should be taken elsewhere, and they have. I'm just saying that this sort of review belongs in a personal blog (like the one you have), rather than on a site that is supposedly dedicated to TPTB's opinion of the show, and their intentions with it.
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Yeah, I know what I just said wasn't perfectly written. I was only called here because other people I know had started to complain about how your reviews ended up here...so uh, the first have is sort of emotional. I'm sorry for that.
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The thing with not reading it, and not commenting on it:
That's my point exactly. I think that this sort of review is representative of too few perspectives to be considered valid in terms of this website. Not every person with a movie-review blog deserves to be read, and if Dark is trying to oblige the percentage of people who want a bash-ful review, I really prefer prettybutt. I mean...I didn't just "show up" here. I came here because the website I come from was literally cringing that a review like this could end up on a site like this.
We really do respect you, Dark. And Fish, we think you're hilarious. It's just...um... We just really think you're too objective (and misrepresent-ively so) for a site like this. You obviously have your followers...but it's exactly that. Your followers. And you'll always have them at your own personal blog.
I doubt you're even capable of realizing what a pompous little snit you're coming across as here. You were "called here"? Why? Are you the Recap Police? Or just a bigger bully than your friends? This is Dark's site... and you've proceeded in post after post to tell him how he should run it. You're not the first to lobby for him to remove the Fish's recaps, and I'm sure you won't be the last. From what I've seen of Dark, however, he's not going to bow to some arrogant outsider's interpretation of what is right and proper for HIM to include on HIS site. And good for him... and good for those of us who have a sense of humor and enjoy mocking what might currenly be the most mockable character on TV. In any event, the Fish's recaps go well beyond mocking Jack and always include interesting insights about a show that she clearly loves as much as her readers do
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But I really think you just haven't been watching the show correctly to dismiss Jack's character as such. It's one thing to hold his issues against him, but it's another to just blindly bash the guy. And it's ANOTHER to blindly worship Sawyer over him. If their moments from s2 and 3 can say anything...it's that they don't conceive of the same competition.
But uh...maybe re-watch the Pilot? Take into account that Jack has had the most centric episodes? I'm not saying the show's all about him, but he is considered the only 'main character' in terms of Emmy nods, as far as I know. The show is undeniably very much about his character, and his imperfections.
Thanks for the lecture on how to watch the show "correctly". Given how badly you want to control this site, I'm not the least bit surprised you worship Jack. Please keep posting. Your posturing is hilarious! LOL
gary
1) I actually always read all the reviews in the homepage. And I believe many people do. Thanks for reminding us about the 'continue to read button', if this is what you meant, but I guess we all knew about it!
2) "Lighten up and enjoy your lives".
Is this your motto??? After reading FB's reviews???
Well...LMAO!!
Sorry,but this is so hilarious!!
mwhahahahaaaa :D
Thanks for making me laugh!
3) People have opionions about what they read. Even about your cup of tea. It happens!
I have read several of her reviews and honestly she scares the bejesus out of me. It's fine to be funny but not hateful funny. I get some people don't like Jack. Hell, I don't like Sawyer much either but I don't go around spreading all this hate on him. Why? Because he is fictional. Its one thing to claim to dislike a character but to go as far as this is laughable. i don't consider this a review. It's merely a skater trying to find everything wrong with Jack and Jate to make themselves feel better.
You are absolutely idiots!!!
At the first time Jack did mistake with Kate and YOU SAY, THAT HE IS BAD!
But then he is very very unhappy, and he wants to go back to the island!!!
Sawyer was in season 1-3 usually bad character, but though YOU don´t hate him but you like him very much. He is now rather good character, I know.
BUT you don´t justify these things so that you hate Jack.
When I read all these comments on Skate videos, that Jack is bad, horrible and who knows what another´s, so I´m very sick of you!!! I don't see why you hate Jack, I don´t know!!!:(((
I like all characters and Sawyer, Juliet, Ben too, even if they going nerves to me sometimes, but I don´t mind, that Sawyer and Kate will be together, even if I´m Jack and Kate´s fan, but you hate Jack, so he is just bad for you.
And these things(as this prewiew) should have ban, Darkufo!
Methosrocks: The fact that you're mocking one person's opinion reflects badly on you, not Alilamba. Just let it be...
But hey, if those of you actually hold this review with merit, you'll find yourselves eating crow by the series' end.
It's the blind leading the blind around here...
I myself love fishbiscuit's reviews and really enjoy the pictures, and I can tell she puts a lot of time and effort into it. If you don't like it, that's fine--everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But! that doesn't mean you have to disrespect her, or completely disregard her whole review here because she isn't the biggest fan of Jack's.
And if anyone's biased it's the people that get frustrated and bash others when someone doesn't like the same character they do. Get over it.
As for me, I enjoyed reading this greatly. I thought it was funny, had some good points, and I absolutely adored the end. I still would have never realized how Kate and Sawyer were both comforting a baby at the end unless I read this!
Keep up the great work, fishbiscuit! Can't wait until next week!
and sorry for my English, I´m from Czech republic, and here, we have Sawyer´s fan very many, but they like Jack!
Have any of you angry Jack/Jate fans read some of the other reviews post here and elsewhere? I think you would find if you did that most of them are similar to this one, if not worse. This episode was not a hit with the media or the fans and the reviews and the ratings support that. Have your fun but you might just want to read a few other re-caps of this episode before you decide the Fish is out of touch.
Even Kristin pleaded sick rather than touch SNBH with a ten foot pole because anything she said would have drawn the same kind of venom that you are spewing here.
"If we take some skaters, fellow members of this blog, for example Isabelle, who seems a really nice girl, may I ask you why do you support her?"
hi eli. well, all i have said is that i agree with everything she has said in THIS ONE review. i havent read all of them, this is my first. before this i was a fishbiscuit review virgin. lol. i support what she has said here, but i cant really say that i support her all the time. i probably will go back and read the rest of her reviews, and then decide for myself but i seriously doubt that they are all about jack (cos gary said so in his comment). i personally found this hilarious and extremely accurate - that is why i like it.
"for example Isabelle, who seems a really nice girl"
aww, that really sweet. thankyou. xxx :)
methorocks - "You were "called here"? Why? Are you the Recap Police? "
"Given how badly you want to control this site, I'm not the least bit surprised you worship Jack"
lol, you make me laugh. (in a good way by the way - i agree with you).
For the people who say that LOST is all about Jack: remember he originally was supposed to die in the pilot episode.
When LOST first began I loved Jack. As time has passed, I've come to roll my eyes more often when he's on. His character has gone from hero to...I won't say zero, but...come on!
On the other hand, Sawyer has gone from self-centered a-hole to unbelievable! His yelling for Claire at the end of the ep just ripped my heart out! He has truly grown into a better man than Jack. I love him more and more each episode!
I still like Jack, but I am deperately waiting for him to redeem himself. Here's hoping it happens by May 2010.
I wonder if those who bash these reviews actually read them? -Gary
This is a small group from the Fuse who can't abide anyone making light of Jack. Same people, different channel. :)
I'm entitled to have an opinion. I read the post, didn't like it and thought I'd comment on it. This is a blog where I have the freedom to make comments. I do apologize if I offended anyone with my comments. Truly I'am. I just think some people take this whole bashing other characters too far. And in this case it was taken too far. Lost is about the characters and redemption. Calling Jack a fraud is wrong and weird considering that that man has been saving and trying to save everyone on the island. He has always had everyones best interest at heart. Even though stubborn he cares about the people on the island. To make Sawyer a hero, because in the past two episodes he's been saving Claire and comparing that to Jack is way off. I agree Sawyer is growing to be a hero. But don't take away all the things Jack has done because you hate him and he nailed Kate. About the whole Monica thing. I think Kate never pretended with Kevin. She truly wanted to be with him and be his wife but being a fugitive got in the way. Kate wants to be a wife and have kids. There's nothing fake about that. She is exactly who she wants to be.
"You are absolutely idiots!!!"
careful, thats against "the rules", lol. seriosly though, name calling can get your commeny taken off the board.
ann - i absolutely agree with every word. i went over to kristins site to read her redux, and i knew full well she wasnt ill. she didnt want to have to say things that she could get in trouble for - cant blame her. luckily fishbiscuit can say what the hell she pleases and its great to read. :)
p.s. uh, oh, this comment thread is turning into a war!!
actually most reviews i read were great and saying this episode was good. ew.com, tmz.com, ign.com
Hey now. Would you really be so abrasive irl? It's my experience that people allow themselves to be meaner online, but...Ah, nevermind. I just remembered exactly why I don't come here.
Which is my point. I wasn't trying to be snide, or cruel. I'm trying to express my opinion reasonably, and as you're telling me I've failed, I'll try again. You're welcome to bash me personally, though, as it uh...it really doesn't affect me at all. Sorry.
As far as The Fish, and her reviews:
I said a few times how much I appreciate them, and I was being honest. But I'm also honest in that I see some of the perspective as wrong. We both agree on the Jack-hate, yes, and I've tried to express how I think that has a legitimate foundation. And it really, actually does. But there's a difference between laughing about Jackface maliciously, and laughing about Jackface for the freeze-frame aspect. To ignore that the man has talent is a personal, objective...and I'm sorry, but unpopular opinion.
There's no doubt in my mind that Jack's character is bash-able. But I'm saying that a review like this is not only unfounded (I can't believe I'm going to do this, but I'm a Cinema Studies major), but it's exactly the unbalanced nature of the review that should allot it personal-blog status.
Whether or not one chooses to see it (and I'm making no assumptions here, let me say that honestly), Jack's character is growing just as much as any of the other's. To write him off in any way is degrading to the show - an argument I hope I've already put forward.
There isn't anything I object to on Dark's site besides this. And yes, I know, high and mighty interpretations abound when I say that I come here because others aren't. Yeah, it's true. I wouldn't be here at all if someone hadn't been actually INFURIATED that The Fish's reviews get on this site, and I wouldn't be on my...er...fifth? reply if I didn't agree to an extent, and want to be proactive. Maybe it's because I got waaay too big-headed from posting on Lostpedia and interacting with those mods fairly positively. I'll be the first to admit it.
p.s. I just noticed...Sawyer's not protecting the baby. He picks it up and starts yelling "Claire!" But uh...I think all of his interactions with Miles were based on keeping him away from Claire, not her child (though as we all joke, Claire is pretty obsessed with her "bay-bay"). Maybe that's just me, thinking of the Eggtown relief five episodes ago. Ah! But that's exactly the type of disagreement that I post elsewhere. Sorry.
i think kristen is a well known skater and didn't find jate kissing, engaged very amusing.
ah, cant we all agree to disagree and just enjoy the damn show already. we all have one thing in common and that's the love for lost. Now, any guesses as to what the smoke monster is or where claire ran off too?
@sandra och
great posts!
*claps*
Please respect each others opinions.
Feel free to discuss, praise, disagree with the recap but do not attack fellow posters. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
That will NOT be tolerated here.
Remember: We are ALL LOST fans.
"For the people who say that LOST is all about Jack: remember he originally was supposed to die in the pilot episode."
And Kate was supposed to be married a la Rose, and Sawyer was supposed to be slick and not Southern, and Ben was actually supposed to be Henry Gale and be killed off after a few episodes. Strange, huh?
Jack lived, and he's still alive midway through the fourth season though. I agree, if he gets killed off at all, his position as 'main character' will obviously fall off. But by current standards, he's as close as you get. And that's not a subjective opinion, strangely.
LOL
omg.
Right. Haha. This WAS a very funny review! I hope Skaters enjoyed it!
You know, I totally see where you're coming from, after I Do I was completely intent on seeing all the Jate stuff and completely overlooking that Sawyer and Kate cared about each other! But people commenting, always remember that there's more interpretations than your own. Clearly... :)
And next time, down the dose of bitterness just a tad, it's blatantly apparent, and kind of lessens the impact of the points you're trying to make...
(Still counting how many of these reviews are about everyone besides Jack being a hero, btw.)
I have to admit I enjoyed and laughed (A LOT) with your review and pictures. Now, I think the Jack hate is very notable, so much, that it makes your review to lose credibility as something serious.
Most of the things you said about Jack are true, but as narcissist and full of himself as he is, he has done very good things in the past too and he always had the best of intentions. Now, I don't think the daddy issues are a shield, a person's development and attitude in the future will very much depend on the way he/she was educated, raised, and the love he/she received. Some are more sensitive to this than others, most of the time this things are buried deep down inside our unconscious.
I'm not going to say 'poor' Jack either, I almost never feel pity for other people as we are all responsible of our own acts. But, as we know, this is a tv show and Jack, unlike to what happens in the real life, will have his redemption, will change and, for sure, will board the train of victory along the others. I wish we all had an island to show us how wrong we are, where our faults are and how we can grow to be better persons.
BTW, loved how you addressed the Kate and Sawyer thing, I have the same feeling, specially about Sawyer and this very special connection he has with Aaron.
As you spoke of coincidences, I remembered how Charlie discovered Sawyer's voice calmed Aaron and connected it to the last episode. When he takes him, the baby stops crying for a few seconds and only starts crying again when he, desperatly, starts screaming out Claire's name.
I suppose the Charlie/Aaron/Sawyer thing was meant to be, maybe, something more than just cute or a funny moment.
I was really sad and pissed till I read your recap Fish, now I see things different, maybe I'm bad with Lost clues I catched the toy and the sonofabitch scene but I missed the last two scenes where Kate and Sawyer are holding Aaron...NICE!
Congratulations!
Hey Dark...sorry, I feel like I started this. And I'm not representing a very 'polite' group, I get that... It's just we sort of have a problem. Not with Fish, just that Fish is on this site. I think the "people" I "represent" (ie those that have come out negatively) mostly do ignore it, it's just...there's something "we" really respect about the other opinions posted by the other reviewers here, and Fish's tone and subjectivity just tend to mire all the points we appreciate (and really, you have to admit, that some of them are just wrong - a problem with all reviewers yes, but...) Hence...I think most of us would just appreciate a different "bashing" reviewer among the rest you sponsor. And again, if any...I'd sort of like to nominate prettybutt.
"i guess the only people who didn't like this fantastic article r desperate jaters............lol.......n now who can still disagree that SKATE IS FATE?????"
Umm..... I think Jaters have no reason to be desperate anymore - because this episode confirmed that Jack and Kate had a valid relationship, that we aren't just crazy and imagining looks that aren't there. Guys, Jack and Kate got together, boo hoo! Get over it! Jate isn't over and NEITHER IS SKATE! So stop with the bashing! ENJOY YOUR OWN SHIP without needing to insult ours, why don't you? Just, why?
I do wonder what Kate had to do for Sawyer. Any thoughts from people who aren't blinded by their shipping? :)
Selina, great post! I agree. Sometimes people get defensive. I admit I get like that too. But for crying out loud. Can't we all just get along? Why the need to hate and argue at any given moment? It's rather funny really. I'm a Jater. I admit that but I also enjoy Skate and Jacket (R.I.P). I have never denied that there are feelings between Sawyer and Kate but it annoys me that people deny there are feelings between Jack and Kate, when there clearly are. Anyway, people let's all enjoy our ships. There will be moments for both Jate and Skate, I'm sure. Sometimes we embarrass ourselves with all these ongoing wars. Hell, I'm starting to understand why shippers are so hated. Again sorry if I offended anyone. Let's just enjoy Lost.
About the promise Kate made to Sawyer, I'm gonna put my unbiased folds on. I think everyone can agree with me that it probably has something to do with Clementine and Cassidy. I'm sure it was about either checking up on them or giving them a message of some kind.
oh and the reason why matthew had a shaved chest is because of the film speed racer... i dont know why people keep ignoring that fact
Because he shot that movie 8 months ago. He decided to continue to shave his body afterwards. 8 months are more than enough time for the hair to grow back.
Goodness, I forgot my inital reason for coming here.
There's a term "shippers" use appropriate to their "denial": It's "Skenial" and "Jenial" (ridiculous naming system. That's a given, and part of the weird pleasure - not my point in bringing it up). Mostly it just seems that if this is to be the "shipper" review, it seems to be overwhelmed with denying certain aspects of the show? Does that make sense? What I mean is that...there's a certain objectivity in the other reviewers sponsored on this site, and someone like Doc Arzt or Jensen, and they'll sort of 'go with' the shipping trends as they appear on-screen. The resounding opinion of "us" (again, who I "represent" ie my opinion and those who agree with me) is not only against the sort of...unrepresentative focus on Sawyer (again, it's personal blog-worthy, and very deservedly so, Fish), but the over-emphasis on Sawyer and Kate's relationship. Something which is valid (no one can deny the power of I Do), but not exclusively so. I fully accept that I come into this sort of situation with my own bias, but I really don't think that I'm wrong in pointing out the Sawyer/Kate one here. Which is why I bring up the denial aspect in the first place. The "Skenial" (denying the Jack/Kate moments) and the "Jenial" (denying Sawyer/Kate) are deserving of their place in fandom...and just...not...here.
Again, prettybutt holds nothing back. And "shippers" of all colors really appreciate it - and find it all absolutely hilarious.
maybe he liked it so much, he started shaving it off. who knows and who cares really. I liked it better with hair on.
Precious: He had to keep his chest shaved - they were doing post production. And scenes for this episode were shot a few months ago, while they were still doing post production.
Sandra, thanks for agreeing with me! It's hard not to sound like a bitter Jater - but at this moment, I'm honestly not. I can read Fishbiscuit's review, think, that's an interesting way of looking at it, and go back to watching Jack and Kate kiss and Kate crying with happiness when Jack asked her to marry him. Yeah, there's a difference between Jack and Kevin's relationship to her - Jack knows who she really is, and has come to love her for it. It's great isn't it, that both ships have had kisses and validation? That could mean that everyone could be happy for each other, and this stupid shipper war would end - giving us some credence with the non-shippers too. :)
Yeah... I didn't think so. But just imagine. Enjoying your ship, letting the other ship be, because whatever happens between them, it doesn't shake your belief in your own ship. You might even be able to acknowledge and accept the other ship, which also has something valid. Like, scenes written for them by the people making the show. How amazing would that be?
"I do wonder what Kate had to do for Sawyer. Any thoughts from people who aren't blinded by their shipping? :)"
i think it is to do with cassidy and clementine, but i guess thats too obvious. then again, so was the "man on the boat" so it probably is this. :)
"Sometimes we embarrass ourselves with all these ongoing wars. Hell, I'm starting to understand why shippers are so hated. Again sorry if I offended anyone. Let's just enjoy Lost."
i agree with this. lol. alot of non shippers are fed up with us and we bring it on ourselves cos we ALWAYS have shipper wars.
to be honest, i see nothing wrong in bashing character. its only a fictional character, they dont take offence, so neither should we and as someone said before jack, for example, is bash-able. i know alot of people want to jump to his defence but all of us should be a bit nicer to each other and we shouldnt be turning against each other cos we are all fans of lost and that what matters really.
i think if you dont like fishbiscuits reviews than dont read them. but it is wrong to say that dark shouldnt post it here. there are many people here who love it. i think we all just need to take a chill pill :) :)
Yeah, in a way the whole Skate X Jate is stupid:
1- It's just a TV show!
2- The writers are gonna play us on that one probably TIL THE VERY END of the series. Whenever Kate is with Sawyer she is somehow still thinking of Jack. When she got together with Jack, there's was still feelings for Sawyer on too. That's how they keep the drama fans on. It's not a matter of who she loves the most, is a matter of fooling people around so they can have silly virtual arguments over boards.
That said, Jack should really get himself sorted. Though this review was way to heavy on him.
I agree with you Selina. I wish it was possible and that everyone would just respect each other but it's hard. Sometimes the bitter Jater in you gets to you and you snap. I'll try to be nice but when you don't see eye to eye it gets hard. Honestly I think we're all so biased we're all i denial or as previously mentioner jenial or skenial. We can have debates in a friendly fashion without coming off as bitter and angry jaters or skaters. The average viewers could care less about Jate or Skate and watch the show for its mythology. I used to be one of those average viewers until I became a jater. i love being a jater and I believe Jate will end up together in the end, just like skaters believe Skate will end together. Let's all keep friendly. No need for personal and hateful attacks which is why this so called review offended me as a jater but more importantly as a Lost viewier.
I'm still looking for what was so hard in this review on Jack. It all rang true for me. Nothing in this precludes Jack having a redemptive arc, but there's not much point to a redemption story unless there's something that needs to be redeemed.
i agree isabelle (pretty name). we do bring it on ourselves. i hope we can carry debates in respectful manners.
i wont read fishbicuits reviews anymore. but i don't agree with you here. the way she puts pictures up of matthew fox to ridicule the character jack makes it personal and resentful. and I don't consider this to be much of a review. It's more of a way to bring Jack down and it's very biased. As a reviewer, you have to be able to convey a certain balance and be objective. That is not the case here. An average viewer wouldn't take this seriously. This looses credibility in comparative to Doc Jensen or any other reviewer. I understand disliking Jack, I do. That's fine. But to make it so personal and hateful is wrong. It just seems as a way to vent on your hatred towards Jack. As a reviewer that shouldn't be the case.
"to be honest, i see nothing wrong in bashing character. its only a fictional character, they dont take offence, so neither should we and as someone said before jack, for example, is bash-able."
Well yeah, but the problem I think is that fans of this character take it very personal - I'm not sure exactly why, I don't identify with Jack at all (except maybe the daddy issues, but which character on the show does not have those??), and sometimes he's completely off his rocker - but I sympathise with im and people like him, and whenever someone puts him down, it reminds me why people are bullied. You know, it really does. I'm not saying anyone here would bully anyone, but you know, this is what happens in real life and it's painful to see even a fictional manifestation - it just feels so unfair in a way, it's very frustrating. Also because oftentimes, hate for a character extends to hate for the people who like the character - saying that "Skaters are x" or "Jaters are y" are good examples of this - judging us based on what attracts us to a TV show? It's ridiculous, and yet it happens. I think that feeling of unfairness is the most prevalent of all. It's a horrible feeling that would make anyone's skin crawl and fingers itch to type a nasty response "just so they can feel what it's like themselves". And sadly this happens. People are always provoked when people try to present something that goes against their beliefs as though it was a universal fact. In this case it's just blatantly obvious where the provocation stems from.
LOL it would have been great if the person in the shower was Bobby Ewing! hehehe
This was definitely the Readers Digest condensed version of a relationship. hahaha, hey I'm not complaining that they rushed this part..
This was a Jack episode, remember. That means we all had to stop and do what Jack does every day - obsess over Jack. AMEN SISTER!
Good stuff again Fishy, and I truly appreciate the time and effort you put into all your photoshops :)) haha
gary - thats a really good point :) i agree
Jack/Kate couldn't have looked more like Jack/Sarah if the tried. It was more or less a mix of all of his Sarah flashbacks. Even his daddy was still there.
I'm actually wondering if Jack got back in contact with Sarah after his breakup with Kate. She knew about his alcohol problems in TTLG and wasn't in the slightest bit shocked at the way he looked like. Not to mention that she was still his emergency contact years after he got back. Or maybe Sarah was still in contact with his mother and that's why she knew about it.
Sorry, Fish, this is the 1st of your reviews that I couldn't read all the way through. Keep 'em coming though, they are usually quite insightful and a barrel of laughs.
Isabella: A lot is two words. Sorry to harp - those damn pet peeves get in the way.
And yes, I agree. But there is a difference in bashing a character without acknowledging anything positive, which I hate to say...speaks mostly to Fish's reviews. I've read a fair mainy (again, they're funny), but she really does over-emphasize Sawyer in relation to the series. I'd just much prefer to read her responses off this site - they just don't represent enough of fandom to have a place here (and they certainly agravate a very significant amount of fandom as well). And they're not neutral enough to 'get away' with the biases, if that makes sense. Again, old record...but if you don't have a problem getting your eyes scarred by dirty, hilarious humor, check out prettybutt's reviews. They're in the same style as Fish's (lots of pictures, and funny as hell), but she doesn't speak much to preference. And she does point out connections as well.
Gary: You don't know how much I wish that I could see it your way. Maybe I am wrong - that would certainly be nice. I think from maybe my (undeniably) pro-Jack bias, I just give the guy more credit. I wouldn't be here if I was alone in that opinion, though.
I had been visiting this site about a year ago and then I never saw shipper wars at all but just about 5 months ago we have those nonsense debates, I have to admit that sometimes I'm one of the shippers in war but now I'm really tired of this.
Shipper wars have nothing to do with Fishbiscuit recaps at all, its an smart Lost's fan vision, funny and always entertaining. You may like or not but at the same time you may read or not.
precious - "Not to mention that she was still his emergency contact years after he got back."
thats a really good point. now we now that jack and kate hooked up, SURELY he would have changed his emergancy contact to kate? or even to his mother after him and kate broke up. its so weird that its still sarah. jack - being in the medical business - would KNOW to change emergency contacts, surely?
maybe its just kinda a mistake cos tptb wanted it to APPEAR to be a fb. :)
Interesting point precious. But as isabelle said I think it was more to do with letting people think it was a fb than anything else. I sure thought it was a fb when I saw that scene.
I think Kate is calling to tell Cassidy that Sawyer is sorry for what he did to her and to let her know his feelings toward her were real.
Let's all take a page from Jack and Sawyer. They disagree with eachother, but like Sawyer told Jack they are "friends."
I think Kevin loved Monica enough that if he'd found out about her past he still would love her. What would the Jaters and Skaters think if, in the end, Kate finds Kevin and they walk off into the sunset together with Aaron?
Your joke seems quite ironic, CRIKEY, given that I'm English and not a 'yank'.
Nah, I think it was just further proof that Jack still couldn't let go of Sarah completely. The man has horrible abandonment issues and that's why he resolves to stalking his women after breakups. Jack needs therapy but before he does that, he needs to learn humility. Actually, he seems to learn it a little in the TTLG FF. At least he acknowledges that he isn't a hero by that time. Still too stubborn and arrogant to go to rehab though.
"Let's all take a page from Jack and Sawyer. They disagree with eachother, but like Sawyer told Jack they are "friends.""
And let's also listen to Hurley - let's all treat each other with a little respect! :)
"Let's all take a page from Jack and Sawyer. They disagree with eachother, but like Sawyer told Jack they are "friends.""
And let's also listen to Hurley - let's all treat each other with a little respect! :)
Otherwise, Dark is going to lay a 20-foot restraining order on our butts! ;)
Reading a fishbiscuit review is an easy way to start a shipper war.... Jater or Skater... Jack is not a bad character,he is NOT a FRAUD.... sure he is flawed but he is the main hero of Lost, he has a lot of connections with the island, certainly more than Sawyer (Christian? Claire? Desmond?) and redemption is on the way for Jack...
had to stop reading this half way through because of how bad it was. this could have easily been written by a 12 year old.
alex said... this could have easily been written by a 12 year old.
Agreed! I crack up when I see the posts where people say that they love "reading" fishbiscuit's reviews. Claiming that these reviews have substance is the equivalent of settling in with a glass of wine to engage in a literary study of See Spot Run . . . and if anyone should be insulted by that, it is the author if See Spot Run.
Don't you fishbiscuit fans have an episode of Grey's Anatomy to watch?
I laugh at people who assume that because it's biting it must be immature. I suppose that's the convenient thing to label it as for you. You disagree, so it must be dumb.
At least say it's 'bitchy', because it is, and as a criticism that sounds more credible.
Ok bitchy is retarded,
Thats much better!
More of the same Jack-hating dribble from fishbiscuit. Sad isn't it? I wonder what it is about Jack that gets under fishbiscuit's skin so much? Who does Jack remind him of? Jack is at least a philanthropic human being, whereas fishbiscuit comes across as a bigoted and hateful individual. Sad isn't it?
Love the bit at the end FB, nicely done.
hatebox said...
Your joke seems quite ironic, CRIKEY, given that I'm English and not a 'yank'.
Ooooh, I love it when people take things personally. You've made my night. :D
I disagree that some on here are actually fans of the show. They are obsessives with one character or another. It's like when Charlie died and some people honestly just stopped watching the show... some massive 'fans' too... one in particular from The Fuselage springs to mind... it would have been hilarious if it weren't so damn sad...
...nah, I haven't really got a heart... it WAS hilarious. :)
ok, so while i diagree with some points in this, i gotta say the humour/sarcasm in this review is excellent. the kate/monica parallel and the two dancing dudes..classic lol. i am not the relationship/character-ship type of fan(nothing wroing if you are of course, i personally like lost because it showns that the majotity of us all have good and bad in us and then the whole redemption theme is really interesting to me as well as the science/fate but this is not for this section,sorry)but i can always appreciate funny parallels and i think this review was def good in that aspect. keep on the dancing dudes for next week :)
ps. they totally meant for it to be bobby...he just cancelled last minute lol :)
Jake said:
"Agreed! I crack up when I see the posts where people say that they love "reading" fishbiscuit's reviews. Claiming that these reviews have substance is the equivalent of settling in with a glass of wine to engage in a literary study of See Spot Run . . . and if anyone should be insulted by that, it is the author if See Spot Run.
Don't you fishbiscuit fans have an episode of Grey's Anatomy to watch?"
Gee, thanks Jake! I hadn't realized I needed permission to watch LOST. After reading your truly enlightened thoughts, I see now that the higher intellect required to appreciate the show can only be come by if you have a superiority complex.
Must be lonely at the top, away from the teeming masses of dim-witted folk.
You people are entitled to your differing opinions, but NOT to be rude and insulting. When you lower yourself to that level, you are a TROLL, just looking for attention.
Now THAT'S immature. and SAD.
Jack was, is and always will be more concerned about himself than anyone else. I doesn't matter is he is the "main character" or not.
In fact, any of our opinions about him don't matter at all. The writers are telling the story the way THEY want, not the way YOU want.
What is all this "shipper" stuff? I can't believe a creative, intelligent show like Lost is reduced to the level of a soap opera in the minds of those who argue about "jate" and "skate" and all that nonsense. It doesn't matter one bit to me who Kate ends up with. There are so many other fascinating aspects to this show. I will keep watching whether or not anyone ever kisses anyone again.
Your blogs are biased, unprofessional, and inaccurate. They should not be posted on Dark. I'm actually disgusted by this review of what I found to be a moving and profound episode that let in a lot of insight to Jack's character. I am not a shipper and I like Jack and Sawyer equally, and I still cannot stand to read them. Stop criticizing Jack, get over Sawyer, and try to be objective, and then maybe you can write something worthwhile.
Thanks all for just getting me depressed.
All the people that hate Jack because he can't let it go are actually doing the same things.
Black and White. Is that how you truly see the world? Why in the world do we keep comparing Sawyer and Jack? Why can't we enjoy them from
who they are?
Why can't we understand that Sawyer started out just like Jack is becoming?
Why can't we understand that Jack started out just like Sawyer is becoming?
What I truly love about the show are the characters... They are very well done, well written, and very well acted. To bash Sawyer or Jack because they are opposing because of a girl or for other issues doesn't seem all useful. Why can't we question the assumptions we make and try to see things with different lens. Why is Jack an asshole? Why is Sawyer an asshole? Are they REALLY assholes? Are they human beings with flaws that make them very interesting to watch? Yes.
I always read these reviews and I always dislike them. Why don't I stop? Because I want to read -- I want to see if I can understand where Fish is going with it. Unfortunately, no reasoning that its beyond: Jack is a dick and Sawyer is the best is portrayed.
I hope to come here and see if people add something new to what we believe in. We all love lost. Why are the characters going in the direction they are going?
Enough! I overanalyze things and while some people are with me, others already have their minds set in stone...
As usual, awful, just awful. The best part of the review was this little nugget:
"Sawyer, the newly minted White Knight, promised to get Claire and Aaron back to the beach, and damn, but he was trying. Jack also promised, before collapsing with the appendicitis we already knew he'd survive, that he'd get everyone off the Island - "All of us." And that was the promise, as we know, that was NOT kept."
So Sawyer promised to get Claire and Aaron back to the beach, and ultimately fails because Claire is gone and Kate is Aaron's mother in the future. Jack promised to get everyone off the island, and ultimately fails as well because only O6 get off the island. So two scenarios that we haven't even seen played out fully, and you're saying that Jack is a failure cause he didn't do what he said, while Sawyer is not, because damn if he didn't try real hard. I'm sure Jack didn't try at all to get everyone off the island, which by the way, is an event we haven't even freaking seen yet. While I say all this, I'd like everyone to know that I really like Sawyer, and love the way his character has developed, but this argument is just completely ridiculous. Just bad, bad writing, which coming from fb I'm not surprised by at all. And before anyone says, if you don't like it, don't read it, I enjoy reading other's opinions on LOST and that is a reason I come to Dark's site. Movie critics may hate Michael Bay's movies, but that doesn't mean they quit watching and reviewing them. You're hoping one week, fb will write something entertaining and of some value.
Very nice job on the part of Fish Biscuit; I really enjoyed the succinct script, but most of all, the graphics. Some of the connections I'd never seen before (the killer whale vs. Antarctic and Arctic magnetic fields)--I'm not sure if FB is pulling our legs, but I've read weirder theories, that's for sure!
I really loved the last two panels: the video action shots really drove her point home. I also loved the clever tongue-in-cheek sarcasm--some of which has gone straight over many people's heads, it seems--and some panels were just plain laugh-out-loud (speed-jating, hee!), while others were more thought-provoking and poignant. I found Jack following in his father's footsteps to be very sad.
For the record, I'm very fond of Sawyer and find Jack to be a fascinating hero/anti-hero; well, they're both anti-heroes, to tell the truth. I feel that trying to suppress Fish Biscuit's voice and her often insightful and clever takes on the mythology of Lost, just because she feels the need to tease shippers, is anti-productive. 'Live and let live' is the mature way to handle any fandom kerfluffles.
Thanks, Dark, for hosting Fish Biscuit's recaps and reviews; they are a source of entertainment for many of us who usually keep quiet. I prefer lurking, but I had to speak up now for fear of letting the negativity about FB take precedence on this comment thread.
Here's the problem with the Jackaholics and why they hate Fiscuit's recaps: They WANT Jack to be the hero and the guy that gets the girl. But that's not the case, Jack is not a Black and White character, and Fish points it out. She isn't hating on Jack, she's pointing out the flaws that the writers INTENDED.
It's obvious for anyone but a Jackaholic to see. There are far worse things to say about Jack than she's said, believe me. The fact that anyone is depressed or mad is because, as is always the case when the truth is told, they don't want to believe it, so fight against it.
I think these people are more obsessed with Jack being the Good Guy than what they perceive to be Fish's hatred for him.
She finely summarized Jack's descent into HUMAN dispair,that he brought on himself. THAT'S what Jackholes can't handle. That he's only human.
I wonder why these jack or Kate haters dont see how transparent they are
Irrational hate of a character always stems from a real life person that offended them in their life. Its pathetic--and in psychology its considered the same exact pathology that serial killers have when they kill everyone who looks like their mother or whoever
Get a freakin grip and gain some incite into self.
It's amazing how crazy these shipper wars make people. But I must say that Jack is NOT the main character of Lost. If Lost has a main character then it would be the island. Jack can be selfish, arrogant, and stubborn but has many good qualities too. Personally, {ersonally, I'm a Sawyer fan but I'm not a 'blind' fan like someone said on this thread.) Considering Saywer's background, his actions seem even more heroic. I've heard people say he turned hero too fast, but this is a process that started with "Left Behind" last season and continued in the finale and season 4 premiere. Like the reviews Fish Biscuit even though this wasn't one of my favorite, keep them coming.
1) I love how everyone assumes only men are capable of writing witty reviews. Fishbiscuit is a girl . . .
2) How you don't receive 5 out of 5 every week is completely beyond me. Another brilliant update.
loved it as usual! Look forward to your recaps every week!
. . . placing our episode in the timespace of August, 2007."
Are you sure? The Boston Red Sox beat the Colorado Rockies in 2007.
I wonder why these jack or Kate haters dont see how transparent they are
Irrational hate of a character always stems from a real life person that offended them in their life. Its pathetic--and in psychology its considered the same exact pathology that serial killers have when they kill everyone who looks like their mother or whoever
Get a freakin grip and gain some incite into self. - John Burger
I've been reading Fishbiscuit's reviews since she started writing them, and I've never seen "irrational hate of a character". What I see is that she thinks Jack's an arrogant, self-absorbed, emo asshole and she mocks him accordingly.
Notably, however, Fish clearly sees him as a fictional character, so I'm not worried about her mental health and I don't for a minute believe she's displacing some real life prejudice onto a fictional character. If she were the only one mocking him, you might have a point, but the truth is that Jack is widely mocked throughtout LOST fandom, and for pretty much the same reasons Fish mocks him. Are you offering free mental health diagnoses on those sites as well?
It's Jack fans who seem to take this all so deadly seriously, as though Jack were a real person. If you don't like Fish's recaps, don't read them. That's the simple remedy. Comparing Fish's psychology to that of serial killers? That's beyond absurd.
Fish's review of 'The Constant' was one of her best, and I had commented on it back then.. This was surely one of her worst.. too little on the funny side, too much irrational hatred, not many insights..
Sorry fish, we have every reason to rate you as readers.. not ur best
Wow! It's beautiful...Thanks! The last phrase is great
Great job as usual Fishy! Yours and Ack Attack's recaps are the two I never miss.
I don't understand how anyone- regardless of shipping preference- could think this is good writing. Sorry FB this is only my opinion. I read these from time to time hoping to be pleasantly surprised but I usually end up feeling very sad and icky. Not because of my differing opinions, but because it is just so unprofessional and...HATEFUL, and from a very limited, immature point of view, JMO. If someone can hate a fictional character so much, then they can certainly hate real people that much too, which scares me. There's already too much hate in the world. Forgive whoever hurt you in your personal life and let some peace in; then you can truly be the entertaining writer you want to be and I'm sure you can be ;) Take Care
Just reading, Listening to the new album, do they still call them that? by Trista Perryman...
Did I miss any other heads up to one of my favorite Talking Head's song... THX Fish Biscuit for that!
I have often listened to that song in my head.
Okay, just cuz I am wound up tight, but omg...you are so right on w/your recap. Love it. Can't wait to read your epi recap each week. Trust and promises, Sawyer and Kate are growing. No matter what people think about Kate, we have more and more to learn about her. Loved the Wayne/Monica comps. Good stuff. And you are right on w/your insights I think. THX again.
This was fantastic. It's supposed to be funny but it has so much truth in it. And all the while the pundits gripe and complain because it doesn't praise Jack as the greatest man on the island. Good stuff.
To t.l.a. and others who talk about Coincidences, there just aren't any in LOST. Darlton have said so many times on their podcasts. All happens to coincide, not coincident....
Again...heads up thanks for the great recap Fish Biscuit. I think you are on the money.
Here's an interesting idea on the source of hatred:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(psychology)
I sure hope Fishbiscuit and Dark don't let anyone bully them into stopping with these entertaining recaps.
Those dissenters who are lobbying for her not to continue them are just showing how intolerant and biased *they* are IMO. Recaps and reviews are opinion pieces. They are not meant to be objective journalism and yet someone always harps on about it. I think it's cool to be praising or critical of the review, but seriously if reading someone's POV (which disagrees with your own) gives you a high BP and outrages you so much, here's a thought: DON'T CONTINUE TO READ THEM. ;-P
Sheeesh. Read something else if you don't like Fish's style or her particular bias. There are plenty on the net to choose from. Plenty on this site even.
Hate to break it to you though, but many reviews of this recent episode found it to be a bit of a lacklustre offering, though not a total dud. And they certainly got the same main points that Fishy did, and were critical of Jack too. And saw how Christian's and Sawyer's spectres loomed over Jack and Kate's desperate faux happiness. Heck even the Island was clearly working against them. But they did have a chance to make a go of it. So no more whining about Jinterruptions and other silly J words please.
There are plenty of Lost fans out there who have similar sentiments to The Fish. Just go hang out at TWoP for a while for example.
I am glad that Dark allows a variety of recaps. Ack Attack's and the Fish's are the only ones I read every week because I personally enjoy them and usually agree with them. Fishbiscuit's recaps IMO are funny, insightful, irreverant, BRIEF, and often point out interesting connections or thematic imagery that I might have missed.
Fishbiscuit's recaps always seem to stir up some controversy and gain plenty of hits for Dark so I hope he continues to feature them and doesn't bow down to censorship.
I loved the 'speed-jating' comment. So true, and thankfully the trip to bizarro Jateland was mercifully brief. Sorry but Jack and Kate just bring out the worst in each other, and it was bound to fail. Luckily for us the highlights were all in one episode. That final scene was just ugly, and yet inevitable.
But let's look on the bright side. Kate finally lost her hero blinkers and saw Jack for the controlling, paranoid douche that he was. He's another potential Wayne, but this time in a fancier suit and with a different background. I am thrilled she put Aaron first and didn't give in to the pattern of behaviour that her mother did. Judging by TTLG she and druggie phone-stalking Jack were majorly on the outs. Maybe she took out a restraining order on his butt?
AS for Jack's redemptive arc, does anyone else think he's definitely going to end up a sacrificial Moses type? It seems fitting.
I am not sure that the writers are wanting us to like Jack. He is not even 'dark' in an intriguing way. His childhood traumas were small fry compared to most of the other characters. The writers have succeeded, however, in making me curious as to where they are taking him as a character. He appeared the conventional hero at first - brave, intelligent, good looking doctor who puts others before himself but whilst this still holds up on one level, they have been slowly deconstructing him. They have made it easy for us to mock him. The reconstruction of Sawyer has been pretty conventional (and has worked); the reconstruction of Jack is going to be much more tricky. Sawyer always had charm and humour on his side.
That will be the real test for Fishbiscuit, who has been pretty observant on his deconstruction. Will she be able to be as pithy when they begin to rebuild the character.
Fabulous recap. I loved it. SO many lines worth repeating, especially the importance of the "invisible man."
http://loststudies.com
I haven't seen the last two episodes. I prefer to watch them back to back in a big hit. I am beginning to think though, that the viewers reactions to them are waaay more interesting than the shows. The way they have mostly settled into different camps is fascinating.... why dont you just have your own opinions? That way, you won't be so dissapointed when the end comes. Look its going to be something derivative. Walt Disney doesnt do cutting edge/original/humorous. So let's enjoy the ride/game/puzzle/soap opera thingy and thank Fishbiscuit for his/her recap. It's amusing, ocassionally prescient, and stylishly presented.
I think what it comes down to is that many Jack fans view him as a cardboard hero and when somebody intrudes on their fantasy, they totally lose it.
Jack is a very flawed man and at the moment, I seriously doubt that he's ever gonna get himself together. The man is over 40 years old for heaven's sakes and his daddy issues still completely rule his life. This is exactly what he needs to fix. His daddy issues. If he finally gets over his father, he will also get over all his other issues. He just needs to go into therapy and do the 12 step program offered by ACA organisations. It's as simple as that but first of all, the man needs to learn some humility and admit to himself that he has a problem. Even in TTLG, he's still too fucking stubborn to get help. I actually think that somebody has to force him to rehab. I don't think that he'll ever go there on his own accord.
Hey Fish, great recap as always. Excellent mix of humour and insight.
You know you've made it when people come by to hate on you over a TV show! :D Congrats!
Forgive me if I'm repeating anything, I almost had an aneurysm from reading all these comments. I completely agree with alilamba and I'll tell you why, hopefully civilly.
I always read the entire review, but I wonder more pertinently, does FB read the comments? Every other reviewer of Lost that I read seems to honestly take into account what commenters point out. This notion is not simply writing what people want to hear; it's called criticism and developing your ideas with the help of whims you agree with and disagree with. I strongly doubt that FB either reads the comments or ever entertains a thought that a divergent opinion puts forth (a trait I see in almost every other reviewer). Each week, no matter what happens in an episode, I am sure to get an anti-Jack, pro-Sawyer post. Yes, Sawyer tried to protect the baby. But honestly, was that the main point of this episode? Based on this review, I'd say yes. I might have to agree that the point to which FB has become solely a Sawyer fangirl has gone beyond the scope of what I expect from reviewers on darkufo. It's not my place to say which reviews can and cannot be posted on the site, but I feel all the rest add legitimate merit to the world of Lost and FB does not.
Some thoughts to chew on:
Jack's father issues and modes of handling things are apparently pathetic, while Sawyer's parent issues and modes of handling are acceptable? In my opinion, they don't even come close.
My problem with the character of Sawyer as "White Knight" or "savior" or whatever else you want to call him to make him important is that he has absolutely ZERO idea about what's going on with the island. Zero! He doesn't even seem to think there's some sort of odd conspiracy afloat, other than that the Others have tried to screw with them. To Sawyer, this experience is what every plane-crash survivor would go through. Even Kate has more of an inkling that something is going on. That said, I like Sawyer's character...for what he is. He is hilarious, he is growing, and he has played a vital role in many major events. But he is in no way the "White Knight."
Ignore the haters!
Another great write up! Gratz!
Best recap and review I've read yet. You managed to capture all of the undertones of this episode that had so many scratching their heads.
eacop said...
1) I love how everyone assumes only men are capable of writing witty reviews. Fishbiscuit is a girl . . .
2) How you don't receive 5 out of 5 every week is completely beyond me. Another brilliant update.
Because a certain faction that hates these reviews are here the moment they go up to vote the review down more often than not without having bothered to read it. They are called here to do so, if you can believe that. A mission from God perhaps? Does Jack really need that kind of protection from one lone female? What made mocking Jack a crime? Who decided it was? He IS a character on a TV show, that's all. Why anyone runs over here to read something that enrages them is an excellent question. It's not like they don't know the position this reviewer writes from.
Kudos to Dark for not caving to the pressure to censor The Fish or any of the other writers who's reviews he posts. The opinions and points of view vary but the balance is fair.
Polly said...
I am not sure that the writers are wanting us to like Jack. He is not even 'dark' in an intriguing way.
Excellent point and I have wondered myself why you would write your hero as so blindly arrogant, so totally self centered, so controlling that he wants to supervise his own surgery, and with such obvious petty weaknesses. Do you want us not to like him? Even the hairless, white, pudgy Jack from the shower scene was just plain bad, unattractive filming. You don't want your hero to look male and virile? Take a look at the link (if you missed it) beneath those pictures in The Fish's review. That link compares Jack in the shower scene from S2 to this Jack. The difference is amazing. S2 Jack looks healthy, attractive and tan. The answer has to be that they wanted him to look less than stellar. Why? And why is it not fair for a reviewer to point this out.
The truth is Jack has not grown or changed since we first met him, if anything his good characteristics are disappearing and his bad ones are becoming more apparent. This is also deliberate. Some fans think this is the JSCK show, if that were true why would you make the central character of your story so mockable?
MF fans might also want to consider how this less than heroic Jack is also a meatier role for the actor. He can't sell romance if his life depended on it, it is just not his strong suit and fortunately for those of us who like the Kate and Sawyer pairing it IS Josh Holloway's. Foxy did a hell of a job selling about to crash Jack in this episode just as he did with last year's finale. That Jack might get him the Emmy I believe he would love. That Jack may not be the hero some people were expecting and cannot let go of, but you know MF might just enjoy playing that Jack more than the cardboard hero he has been stuck with for three season. Awards are won by actors who can handle such roles.
All and all from what I have read on the internet, in newspapers and magazines this reviews is closer to what most people saw than the people having such a meltdown over it would like to believe.
Five out of five from me Fish, I only wish you had discussed the interesting art work in Kate's home. The painting all have the same theme, a dark figure (and in one, two) in the water or on an uninhabited beach. I am not sure how Jack could stand to look at those paintings but I do think they are there for a reason and another reminder that there IS an elephant in the room and his name triggered the explosion that followed. I would love to find out that Kate painted them.
The Fish is an equal opportunity offender.
Quote:."..Jack finally got Kate all to himself without that damn hillbilly around ."
I wouldn't call that a Sawyer lover....lol
blandestk - "Jack's father issues and modes of handling things are apparently pathetic, while Sawyer's parent issues and modes of handling are acceptable?"
there is a HUGE difference. sawyer witnessed/heard his parents being murdered/committing suicide while he hid under his bed as a child. his father didnt have a second thought for sawyer when he did it, and sawyer has NEVER shown the same attitude as his father towards kids. unlike, jack sawyer has never turned into his father.
jack, has father issues yes, but he didnt lose both of his parents during childhood, and he has followed entirely in his father footsteps. there is the diffence. i have sympathy for the CHILD who lost his parents, not the 40 years old man whose father tried to push him to be his best.
lockes dad pushed in out of a window after conning him out of a kidney, sawyer lost his parents as a child, kates dad was a abusive drunk (who came on the her at one point), walts dad is, well, MICHEAEL etc.
jacks issues are not even in the same league as the rest.
I'm another long-time reader who looks forward to FB's reviews--but then I look forward to reading J. Wood, vozzek, Lukhs, and ack-attack as well. Each delivers something different. FB's reviews have the same pleasure of, say, Christopher Hitchens: you may not agree but you will be amused and you won't be in any doubt about the reviewer's opinion. And FB always brings in something I didn't know or hadn't thought about, like this review's diagram of the magnetic and true poles.
For those of you who hate the content, and think it's pathological, perhaps you should try giving Lukhs's review a read. Lukhs is coming to many of the same conclusions--fewer pictures and more temperate language, but similar conclusions. But perhaps all the reviewers here at Dark's are pathological! That darn J. Wood keeps nattering on about books--what kind of weirdo does that? ;)
Dark, I love all the reviews. Hope you keep all of them.
No-one should be banned or censored. These comments threads are the funniest read of the week, the sheer lunacy and unintentionally hilarious hypocrisy on display make each one very 'special'. :)
selina said:
Umm..... I think Jaters have no reason to be desperate anymore - because this episode confirmed that Jack and Kate had a valid relationship, that we aren't just crazy and imagining looks that aren't there. Guys, Jack and Kate got together, boo hoo! Get over it! Jate isn't over and NEITHER IS SKATE! So stop with the bashing! ENJOY YOUR OWN SHIP without needing to insult ours, why don't you? Just, why?
Absolutely agree, Selina, stop shipper war, please!!!
I wish I could give 6 stars to this review. Loved it!
I scan all reviews here at Dark's site. If they interest me, I read them. If I hate the review, I just move on. My life it too valuable to waste time hating on a review that won't matter in 5 years.
Sometimes I think The Fish is like the Alan Shore of the Lost fandoms. ;-P
I've been a hardcore Skater since Season 1 but I have to admit that these recaps aren't my cup of tea at all. I have to say that I strongly disagree with Fish's criticism of Jack. Hell, I LIKE Jack. I understand why he's so insecure and has such low self-esteem. He had a crap father plus a very bad history with women, thanks to his habit of self-sabotaging every single good thing that comes his way, because he thinks he is worthless. Let's face it, he has had some really heroic moments on the island; choosing to lead a group of complete strangers on a mysterious island after a devastating plane crash - it takes a man of certain calibre to step up to that kind of task, especially after initially rejecting it. I actually know people in real life who are like Jack and that is why, admittedly, I sometimes find him easier to relate to than Sawyer.
I just think that Jack with his own issues and Kate with her own issues - together, they're just so wrong for each other. It's not Jack's fault - entirely - that he's so flaky and fragile with trust, but someone like him simply cannot handle someone like Kate - a born liar and manipulator. It's like a person with a nut allergy; he can't eat nuts - not because there's something wrong or unsavory about the nuts themselves, but because they just have a bad reaction on the person in question. Similarly Kate *is* playing Monica in this little FF (Fish did get this one right, at least) because on island she constantly had Jack on the same hero pedestal that Sarah did. IMO there's some sort of transference from her past with Tom and Kevin onto Jack, the doctor-hero. If she were to end up with him, she would think that finally she would 'have something good' that she felt Wayne was denying her all the time he was alive.
I just feel that her relationship with Sawyer was so much better written and had so much development and build-up - it would be such a shame to let that all go to waste. I also feel that Kate sees all the parts that she hates about herself in Sawyer and that is why she continually rejects him and refuses to allow any depth for any feelings she may have for him. Sawyer is very much like Kate, very flawed, has done some terrible things, but who is ultimately a moral and courageous man who knows right from wrong. And until Kate recognises this, she will never accept *herself*. Which has always been her story all along - it's not about which guy she'll end up with, as hard as that is to believe.
I've never read Fishbiscuits reviews before but I wish I had!
Thank you so much for making me laugh and for taking my mind of my exam tomorrow.
And for the people in here who are moaning about it, get over yourselves, and dont read it if it annoys you so much!
It was a funny review, this whole "Shipper war" is BEYOND ridiculous-this is JUST A TV SHOW!
@ Isabelle,
"there is a HUGE difference. sawyer witnessed/heard his parents being murdered/committing suicide while he hid under his bed as a child. his father didnt have a second thought for sawyer when he did it, and sawyer has NEVER shown the same attitude as his father towards kids. unlike, jack sawyer has never turned into his father."
Is Sawyer's name really Sawyer or is it James? Because I was under the impression that he too turned to the man he hated. He killed... which is scary... now finally he is finding redemption.
Jack on the other hand (which psychologists would agree that has no less issues but of course you don't think he is deserving) is later in life becoming who he hated. Can he find redemption? I believe so. However, the process to me is much more interesting than the finality of it.
I just wanted to give my two cents: I understand that most people characterize Sawyer's history way worse than Jack's. However, Sawyer was able to work it out somewhat. He had more time, more suffering, he messed up. Jack on the other hand did not work it all with it and he's daddy issues are far from over...
Sawyer said to Jack: "you know kids are like dogs you beat them down enough they feel they did something wrong". He understands, he has been there... he found redemption.
I hope Jack is capable of such.
Fantastic review, as usual Fish! I loved the symbolism of Kate and Sawyer both being shown as protecting Aaron in the island and flashforward end scene. Plus, could Sawyer be anymore present in a Jack & Kate flashforward? I think not. Some of it was a bit ridiculous..I mean, Jack saying "son of a bitch" and shaving his chest? Me thinks he's trying hard to please Kate.
Anyways, funny, snarky, hilarious pictures..what's not to love! A+
As a character jack is in a precarious position. The audience can only stomach his Daddy issues for so long before completely tiring of it, and after that he won't have an ounce of sympathy.
The problem stems from the fact that we've seen it all before. jack hasn't grown at all since season one, and for a predominant character that's unforgivable. The producers/writers need to demonstrate GENUINE humility on his part before it's too late.
Good review.
Why are people expressing their hate over it though? You read the whole thing and then say you hate it.....do you eat food that you don't like and then say you hate it? No. So take it elsewhere.
"However, Sawyer was able to work it out somewhat. He had more time, more suffering, he messed up. Jack on the other hand did not work it all with it and he's daddy issues are far from over..."
thats my point exactly. sawyer has dealt with it. his issues were far worse than jack issues, but that is not to say that jack doesnt have serious issues. he does. but like hatebox said, he hasnt grown or changed for the better since season 1. and it gets tiring to watch the same old thing over and over again.
ps, you mentioned sawyer was a murderer. i'd like to point out that, IF the gun was loaded (and jack thought it was) then he would be a murderer too. i'd also like to point out that sawyer (although i am not condoning murder for anyone) killed the man who destroyed his life, the man he thought destroyed his life, and the man that stole a child (we know he cares alot about kids). whereas jack, pulled the trigger on a man who had a different opinion/view of the island to him. funnily enough, it was also locke who was RIGHT.
of course murder is wrong whatevr way you look at it, but its easy to see which characters had a deeper motive. i can see how jack got fed up of locke (locke was insanely crazy at the time, but happened to be right). i can also undertand that maybe jack wanted to protect his people. BUT, he thinks locke was so bad for killing naomi so what does he do? sinks to lockes level and tries to do the same thing. this just shows how intolerant he can be cos he didnt even hear locke out - locke didnt agree, so he was ready to shoot him in the face. :) just my opinion
"You read the whole thing and then say you hate it.....do you eat food that you don't like and then say you hate it?"
lol. nice comparison. :) and whats more, you wouldnt go back to EATING the same thing EVERY WEEK even though you know it isnt gonna taste any better.
lol. nice comparison. :) and whats more, you wouldnt go back to EATING the same thing EVERY WEEK even though you know it isnt gonna taste any better.
Or sit in the restaurant demanding insistently that the dish be taken off the menu. ;)
methosrocks - "Or sit in the restaurant demanding insistently that the dish be taken off the menu. ;)"
lmao. you crack me up. :) :) :)
in all serious though, i think this is a perfect way to look at it.
You gotta be kidding. This place would be boring as hell if it didn't kick off every week.
that connection of sawyer and kate at the end is bullcrap! if aaron has any other protector it would be hurley, sawyer just happened to be around. does anyone think sawyer will if he ever returns home, will go back to cassidy, were they really in love? just throwing that out there. i have to admit this review was lousy.
"that connection of sawyer and kate at the end is bullcrap!"
wow, its so funny how many people are denying the OBVIOUS connection between sawyer and kate in the end there. yes, sawyer just happened to be around, but thats the point. there is no coincidences. he was there protecting aaron. just like kate was in the future. how can you deny that? fish isnt making this stuff up!!! it happened, it was on screen and tptb say there are no coincidences...ergo...it means something.
@freighter
Damon mentioned not so long time ago in a,podcast Sawyer would not prefer any woman over, Kate. So i don't think he will go back to Cassidy.
And i don't think the Sawyer\Aaron and Kate\Aaron is connection is "bullcrap". Not olnly in this review, but also in couple of others, is saying that there was some kind of connection, in that two scenes. What kind of connection that means we will see.
Good god, will ye all calm down.
I can't figure out what is more stupid: The person who hates Fish's reviews, the person who hates the reviews but reads them anyway, or the person who hates the reviews, reads them anyway, and then has to post how stupid it was.
Freighter said...
that connection of sawyer and kate at the end is bullcrap! if aaron has any other protector it would be hurley, sawyer just happened to be around. does anyone think sawyer will if he ever returns home, will go back to cassidy, were they really in love? just throwing that out there. i have to admit this review was lousy.
Sawyer himself said during the game of 'I Never' he played with Kate, one that got painfully truthful, that "He had never been in love".
If that isn't enough, here is what Carlton Cuse said about the love scene in I Do on the DVD commentary:
This is such a big moment, obviously, in the show, for these characters to finally culminate their relationship. It was great. I mean you think about it, you know, in a show, in a television show, to basically go fifty-five hours before these two characters - who are in love with each other actually finally culminate and, you know, make love. And I think it's really amazing.
Both these quotes are canon; so I don't believe that Sawyer was in love with Cassidy. We have been led to believe, by what we have seen on screen, what the show runners have told us and what Josh Holloway, the actor who plays Sawyer has said, that this character is in love for the first time in his life. Unlike his alter ego, James is not handling this fact with the smoothness of ladies man, con artist Sawyer. That's what makes it so fun to watch him stumble and flounder with emotions he has never experienced before.
Great review Fish and like the poster up stream said I would give it six stars if I could.
Wooooow, you really get people into a tizzy, don't you?
I think your reviews are hilarious, and these people who say you 'scare' them have to get a freaking life already. If you don't like her articles, don't bother reading, but seriously ... chill out.
You're acting like she just shot your puppy or something.
WOW, FB! 182 comments...Is that a record?
I appreciate that FB voiced what no one else really has--the Readers Digest Condensed Romance thing. As I've posted in other threads, it does seem that this ep was, in addition to being what I thought was an excellent set up episode, in the main a way for the writers to quickly dispose with the "will they or won't they" tension by plowing through the Jack/Kate relationship as quickly as possible. I really felt it didn't offer much in the way of shipper satisfaction and was surprised by the strongly positive reactions.
I also think the reviewers posted on this site all have their unique approaches, and that a strongly opinionated and snarky approach is a perfectly valid way to do it. I happen to agree with most of what FB has to say, to a point, however as someone who's been an overachiever alcoholic (waaay on the other side of both issues, thankfully), I also identify with Jack and find it difficult to view him too harshly, especially since, like t.l.a. waaaaay back at the beginning of the comments, I think he'll eventually be humbled and then redeemed.
FB seems to be insightful and bitchy in equal measures, and I can totally relate to that, too.
Fish = Gary, right?
Frank803 said: "I can't figure out what is more stupid: The person who hates Fish's reviews, the person who hates the reviews but reads them anyway, or the person who hates the reviews, reads them anyway, and then has to post how stupid it was."
LOL. I don't know which one to choose.
I love this review...from the reference to the man who wasn't there, to Jack-obsessing Jack, to the smoke monster making his appearance in the hospital, to Monica's reappearance, to Laurel & Hardy, to Aaron and the reference to who's protecting him in the end as those final scenes of the ep showed us. I thought you let Jack away with quite a lot too, but you called it as he was in this ep and you depicted his character perfectly. You'd get more than 5 stars from me too Fishbiscuit, if I could give you more! :)
there is a HUGE difference. sawyer witnessed/heard his parents being murdered/committing suicide while he hid under his bed as a child. his father didnt have a second thought for sawyer when he did it, and sawyer has NEVER shown the same attitude as his father towards kids. unlike, jack sawyer has never turned into his father.
jack, has father issues yes, but he didnt lose both of his parents during childhood, and he has followed entirely in his father footsteps. there is the diffence. i have sympathy for the CHILD who lost his parents, not the 40 years old man whose father tried to push him to be his best.
I totally agree. You also shouldn't forget that Sawyer doesn't complain. I think the only person on the island who he has ever told about his history is Kate. No one else. Compare that to Jack who always complains and talks about his father. Is their any character who he hasn't talked to about him? From the top of my head I remember Kate, Claire, Sawyer, Juliet, Sarah, Achara, Locke and yes, even psychopath Ben. But seriously, how pathetic is that?
As a character jack is in a precarious position. The audience can only stomach his Daddy issues for so long before completely tiring of it, and after that he won't have an ounce of sympathy.
The problem stems from the fact that we've seen it all before. jack hasn't grown at all since season one, and for a predominant character that's unforgivable. The producers/writers need to demonstrate GENUINE humility on his part before it's too late.
I couldn't agree more. Jack hasn't changed one bit and the FF looked exactly like all of his flashbacks. The only difference is that they changed Sarah to Kate. Everything else was exactly the same. And this man already got 10 centric episodes devoted to him. Unbelievable.
precious - yeah, i noticed that. its almost as if jack is trying to evoke sympathy from people so they will like him more, which it actually as you say...quite pathetic.
and sawyer only told kate AFTER she had guessed, and he didnt talk about it with locke EVEN though somehow locke knew. he wanted to keep his business to himself. unlike jack who likes to shout it out for the world to hear.
"And this man already got 10 centric episodes devoted to him. Unbelievable."
it is quite shocking that within the space of 10 whole centrics (some of which are TWO HOUR finales), there has been no positive charcater development whatsoever. although, i would argue that he has had some negative character development, although i know you think he is just as bad as he always was. but i think he is alot worse now. :) :)
I never thought that I would ever say this but at the moment, I would gladly welcome a "Jack sits on the couch and talks to his shrink" FF. It would be boring as hell watching him talk about his mean daddy and his need to fix and save people but the end result would be worth it. He would finally get over his stupid issues, become a better man and might learn to be drawn to women out of love and not out of pity. That makes for far more healthier relationships.
and sawyer only told kate AFTER she had guessed, and he didnt talk about it with locke EVEN though somehow locke knew. he wanted to keep his business to himself. unlike jack who likes to shout it out for the world to hear.
Locke only knew about it because he read it in the file Richard gave him.
it is quite shocking that within the space of 10 whole centrics (some of which are TWO HOUR finales), there has been no positive charcater development whatsoever. although, i would argue that he has had some negative character development, although i know you think he is just as bad as he always was. but i think he is alot worse now. :) :)
I meant that island Jack is exactly like flashback Jack. He's condescending, arrogant, incapable of apologizing for assy behavior, controlling, can't let go of things or people, wants to fix and save people, has terrible trust and anger issues and the list goes on and on and on. Like I said, exactly like in his flashbacks. FF Jack is ten times worse because he's a full blown drug addict and alcoholic. I agree with you on that one.
LIke other posters have said before, some people read these because they're hoping for them to get better, and sometimes it's like a train wreck, you just cant help it; Anyway I want fb to succeed. I feel that it's my right, and sometimes I feel ethically bound, to state my own opinion- which is just that, an opinion. People who don't like these write-ups have just as much a right to post about them as the ones who dig it, so we all have to deal with that. I'll say no more, I feel like I'm amongst a bunch of teenagers- and I probably am lol Take care everyone :)
. . . placing our episode in the timespace of August, 2007."
Are you sure? The Boston Red Sox beat the Colorado Rockies in 2007.
It had nothing to do with the World Series, it was a regular season series that took place in 8/07--that's why it's there, to provide an anchor for the timeline. The Yankees swept the Red Sox on 8/28-30/08, that's why Jack mockingly said "A-Rod" (Alex Rodriguez). Great use of a prop to ground the show in reality. Frank Lapidis would be happy to see the Yankees sweep the Red Sox. :-)
Hahahahahaha Jack, Ben was right. Read that again: Ben was right. Hahahahahaha.
Bored to tears by the Jack stuff, but I loved Jin threatening to break Daniel's fingers if Charlotte continues to lie, the Miles-finding-Danielle-and-Karl thing (at least it'll put to rest the dumb "Danielle is still alive" speculation) and the scene with Hugo at Santa Rosa.
On to The Cabin and Jacob!
Ugh! Terrible review as usual with all the Jack hate. I keep reading each week hoping to find a descent review but am sorely disappointed EVERY time! Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice SHAME ON ME! Won't waste my time in the future.
Best recap of SNBH I've read. Excellent work, Fishbiscuit.
You've had better reviews. The last two sounded so bitter that if I had never read you before, I would think you HATE this show.
I don't understand why you hate Jack so much. He's a flawed hero, that's for sure...but his flaws only screw up his own life. He is personally responsible for saving a lot of the survivors of flight 815 - Claire, Hurley, Rose would have all died in the first 15 minutes of the show! His narcissicm and self-doubt only mess himself up and he hasn't ever harmed anyone else. I love Locke, but he got Boone killed; Sawyer shot an innocent man in cold blood because he THOUGHT the man was Sawyer. This show abounds with flawed heroes (the most interesting kind in my opinion) and I will never understand why you save all your vitriol for only one.
Jack also promised, before collapsing with the appendicitis we already knew he'd survive, that he'd get everyone off the Island - "All of us." And that was the promise, as we know, that was not kept.
just because it hasn't happened YET on the show doesn't mean it won't happen.
P.S. I think most top surgeons are narcissistic control freaks; I think they have written his character pretty accurately. :)
I don't understand why you hate Jack so much
Because he's an annoying, pompous, egocentric rage-aholic with a God complex and really, really, really boring Daddy issues?
Is that enough?
Just because the creators have made him the pillar of the show, I'm GLAD when he takes another swig of booze, GLAD when he fails, GLAD that Ben played him like a cheap guitar. I hate the "romance" on the show --easily its lamest feature as far as I'm concerned-- so I don't have any stake in the silly shipper stuff, it's just his character is so. fucking. BORING. to me.
We GET IT! Gawd, I'd rather see Goth Claire again or have them used one of the Jackbacks to see Danielle slaughter her research team, something anything but Jack and his mundane, boring Daddy-related issues. In fact, I wish they would have killed him off like they planned and had Christian, a far more interesting character, take his place.
And Matthew Fox can't act his way out of a paper bag, that's also a factor. Can he do anything besides yell or scrunch his face up in angst?
Oh, and I love this show. Hating Jack and expressing it does not = hating the show.
henry - lol. i only disagree with one thing - i think fox is a great actor.
"Oh, and I love this show. Hating Jack and expressing it does not = hating the show."
EXACTLY!! some people need to comprehend that. :) its not the freaking jack show people!!
isabelle, i love how you defend each of sawyer's murders before condemning murder as wrong. but then jack "would" be a murderer if the gun were loaded.
mdpeterson, well stated.
i actually find the dismissal of jack's 'daddy' issues to be really insulting. i understand what happened to sawyer was terrible, but to say jack's issues are basically garbage because sawyer's are worse is such a terrible argument. and it's a terrible defense to state that sawyer "dealt" with his issues, so therefore he is a superior character, while jack mires in non-growth and alcohol. sawyer killed multiple people! that's a great way of dealing with your issues. his killing of tom was the most reprehensible i've seen on the show, even more than killing alex, in my opinion, because keamy is portrayed as having no positive attributes, so i expect it from him.
First people who hate Jack are so transparent. Look just because someone in your life reminds you of Jack or your jealous of him doesnt mean you need to share your psychological problems with us as if we care--no matter what you say your not gonna convince us. You only convince us that you are projecting your insecurities on a TV character
2nd
I dont know why people dont see Hurley(charlie) meant Christian and not Aaron. He said Aaron--so its obvious its not Aaron. Jack keeps rasing his father with his thoughts and obviously this is a big problem
Your suppose to consider Aaron because of past episodes and because Hugo mentioned him--but Lost doesnt work in that obvious a way. In the next scene they showed Jack was raising the image of his father and it drove him to self medication