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I saw the words 'DocArzt exclusive' and quit watching ;)
That was awesome! They should have left it in :(
I read about this after the episode aired, its nice to finally see it.
agree; very good scene
I really want to know who and what Miles is now. The science geeks are the best newbies on this show ever.
I remember seeing this a while ago.I have no idea what it mean's or imply's though. Somebody fill me in :)
Bionic Man: It's long been believed that Miles has the ability to communicate with otherworldy entities; spirits perhaps. Reference the scene in 'Confirmed Dead' when he had those weird head jerks and seemingly communicated with a dead child in order to settle some debt. Also he sensed where Karl and Rousseau had been shot.
@t.l.a. - why would you do that? o_O
Anyway, awesome to finally see this scene.
I'm suprised this is even real. After the not Locke in the coffin fiasco, that guy is becoming increasingly annoying.
Suprised he didn't make us play a hangman game first that he'll never give us the answer to.
so the dead people told him the fence was off? I'm confused.
@tla why?
Julia said: so the dead people told him the fence was off? I'm confused.
We don't really know if he hears them or knows what happened to them. Somehow he hears "spirits" or senses things. In Confirmed Dead he wanted money hidden in a dead boys room and the dead spirit told him where it was.
BTW did anyone notice in that scene that when Miles walks into the house there is a framed photo of the dead boy on the wall. When he leaves the frame is different? I just rewatched it the other day and the frame is very different. I was wondering if anyone knew why??? Time travel???
And why the 3.2 million dollars from Ben? For what? To get back to the island in the future....
To everyone wondering about T.L.A.:
DocArzt claimed on his blog a day or two before the finale that Lostfan108 lied. He confirmed that Locke was definitely not the one in the coffin. he then called Lostfan108 an asshat for lying, which is extremely childish, regardless whether or not Lostfan108 was even lying.
Of course, it turns out he was a hit-whore and wanted as many people on his site the day before the finale, so dropped some unjustified linkbait.
It was DocArzt that lied for linkjuice. No other reason. He claims he did it to make fans enjoy the finale again, but that's obviously not the case.
He already ended his tenure on TheTailSection by asking people for Paypal money in order to pay off a "work-related job" in Hawaii, which he claimed would benefit TheTailSection with lots of interviews, photos and spoilers. Of course, he closed the blog before that, but after he'd had his nice little holiday.
He said he couldn't afford it because his kid has some medical problems, which seemed fair enough, but let's face it, con artists use anything to hand to get some sympathy, even if it's their own kid. I just hope his kid will understand what kind of a man his father is, using him like that.
DocArzt is nothing but a scam artist, for ad money, linkjuice and holidays. I wonder what low he will stoop to next.
And, for the record, I'm waiting for this to be on YouTube rather than giving DocArzt even the satisfaction of adding one, single vid-play to his stats.
I remember watching this a long time ago, like right after the episode aired...
Yeah...I kind of do too.
I thought when it said Docarzt it was going to get my hopes up and then crush them. As with Locke.
John said... I remember watching this a long time ago, like right after the episode aired... Sunday, June 01, 2008 2:32:00 AM
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Yes, this scene is on DarkUFO somewhere... it was shown right after the episode aired.
Not that I care, I'm just confirming :)
The scene was not shown. DocArzt posted stills from it with a transcript of what was said.
And for all you guys hating on DocArzt for saying Locke was not in the coffin, grow up. This is not some website war between DarkUFO and DocArzt. If anything Jon was trying to discredit Lostfan108 with the info he had been fed. He even posted that he was wrong and apologized. What more do you want?
What's going on here? Why is there this need to polarize DarkUFO and DocArzt? People like you are damaging to the Lost fan community. If you really feel that way, that you don't even want to watch a video because it will give him a "hit" then keep your mouth shut and don't watch it.
Your comments are just as damaging to DarkUFO as they are to DocArzt. It makes it seem like there is some battle going on here when there isn't.
The fact is both of these sites server huge groups of fans. DarkUFO posted the Lostfan108 spoilers but that doesn't make Andy Lostfan108, does it? Jon wasn't attacking Andy or DarkUFO. There is really no need to create an artificial conflict where none exists. ;)
I would agree, Congested.
Great to finally see this scene. Makes me wish the strike hadn't happened and we'd have seen more Freighter stuff this season.
I definitely had seen this WAY before now.
I never suggested it was a battle between DocArzt and DarkUFO, nor wanted one to begin.
All I did was say what DocArzt had done in recent days and his past history. I then said I personally did not like his tactics and guessed that was T.L.A.'s reason for posting his comment.
DarkUFO did not post anything to do with DocArzt's 'foiler', so he nor any other DarkUFO fan have yet begun (to my knowledge) 'picking sides'. Merely, DocArzt posted a story on his own blog, got ripped into by his own readers and hung his head in shame. He did not apologise for his comments - he merely stated he was wrong and pointed out this was all he did.
So basically, DocArzt dug his own grave for a second time on his own site. Nothing to do with DarkUFO, I never suggested it and I'm not part of any war.
In answer to how Miles knew the fence was off, it's because he is sensitive to various types of energy, not just spirit - I and more people than you might think are the same way, to a lesser extent.....
If anything, DocArzt himself suggested that DarkUFO was wrong for posting 'foilers' himself without being sure they were right.
Is that where you was suggesting conflict lay? Well, don't blame me. Blame DocArzt for being a hypocrite as well as being a con artist. Those were his implied comments in posting the 'foiler'-"asshat" video.
All I did was mention his over-eager thirst for infamy, money and pagerank. But yeah, you're right, a war may start, but that's no-one's fault but DocArzt himself and given he's lost his own supporters, it's obvious who'll be the premier Lost site next season...
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Lostpedia ;-)
God forbid anyone have an opinion in regards to DarkUFO or DocArzt. The real damaging people are those who condemn others for not seeing things exactly as they do.
I don't know DocArzt, nor do I understand his motivation for calling Lostfan108 a fraud, but it appears that Doc has elicited some seemingly shady behavior in the past, which is likely the reason why people are questioning his integrity.
And this clip isn't a DocArzt exclusive.
Docarzt didn't lie. He had a source who saw one of the alternate finales. Eitherway, Lostfan108 IS an asshat.
Also, Andrew Sparkles, you sound like an asshat yourself. Docarzt refunded all of the paypal donations.
Quit shooting your mouth off about him. He and Dark are friends and I wouldn't be surprised if you get kicked off this blog for being such a jerk about the situation. Doc released that information in the middle of the night before the finale because he said he had a never-before-wrong source who had seen one of the alternate finales.
Do you ever thank Docarzt for all of the sneak peeks of the episodes that he gets ages before anyone else? I don't think so.
i definitely remember seeing this video already as well.. this is 100% not new.. i know i saw this, not just screenshots or a description
And by the way, if Doc were just interested in money and links, he would post every single interview and clip from the show on his own site without any added commentary and then plaster the site with ads. If anybody is interested in making a few extra dollars by posting things in their entirety instead of posting an excerpt and linking to the original source, its Dark. If I spent loads of time interviewing a cast member, I would hate it if some site that probably gets thousands of hits a day posted it in its entirety and deprived me of my hard work. The same goes for the EXCLUSIVE spoiler clips that Doc Arzt gets only to have Dark post them right here while it would be just as simple to link to Doc's site.
And you guys who think you've seen it. It was never a spoiler clip, and has never been posted before anywhere on this website. This is the one Docarzt transcribe. Here's the link from this site:
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2008/02/episode-403-economist-deleted-scene.html
And here's the link to the transcription from Docarzt.
http://www.docarzt.com/lost-news/lost-403-the-economist-a-delet.php
Here's the transcript from almost 4 months ago that he posted:
"MILES: What is this?
SAYID: A Security fence. When activated, the pylons emit a high pitch frequency that will kill anyone who passes through it. We used a tree to climb...
MILES raises his hand towards Sayid. He seems to hear something.
MILES: SHHHHHHHHH!!!
SAYID stops and watches MILES as he scans the surroundings, listening intently.
SAYID (Sarcastic): I'm sorry, are we supposed to be hearing something?
A beat passes and MILES is suddenly aware that SAYID had spoken to him.
MILES: I'm sorry, what?
KATE is examining the control panel.
KATE: Maybe I can shut it off.
SAYID joins her, bending over to examine the panel.
SAYID: And, how might you do that?
KATE: I saw Juliet do it once.
SAYID (Doubtful): Without the code?
ANGLE ON MILES. He continues to scan with a slight twitch, similar to when we saw him reading the boys room in Confirmed Dead. Suddenly he walks through the pylons and turns towards an astonished KATE and SAYID.
MILES: Hey, I don't think its on.
KATE: And how did you know that?
MILES:Lucky guess."
Now why don't you get off your high horses...you've never seen this before. Just say thanks and move on. Ungrateful jerks.
The reason he had this is because he was granted permission from ABC to see ALL of the first 4 episodes before they aired and before the season started for reviewing purposes. Did he decide to be an asshat and spoil them entirely? No. He has integrity and seeing someone so high up in Lost with so little respect for the show like lf108 pissed him off. So when he got what he thought was definite proof that lf108 was lying, he pounced on him. It was foolish and he was later proven wrong, but that doesn't make lf108 any less of a jerk with no integrity.
You and DocArzt both share the very unattractive need to name-call, which is probably the reason why his integrity is being questioned. He could've gone about the whole ordeal much differently, sans the "asshat" statement.
It's apparent from your most recent comment that you feel lost spoilers are provided by people with little respect for the show. I only hope you realize that that's merely your opinion.
As for this being a DocArzt exclusive, you are right, and I was wrong, and I apologize. I confused this clip with one which bore striking resemblances to a previously posted scene.
Really though, all the name-calling is very unnecessary.
I don't think Lost spoilers are for bad fans. Good spoilers get me more excited for the show. I do feel like releasing a complete, full-episode synopsis which insults the show weeks before the actual show airs is done for the sole purpose of ruining the experience of the fans. I understand Dark's reasoning for releasing it, that he wanted to control the flow if the spoilers, he didn't want to have lostfan108 plaster them everywhere, but that doesn't make lostfan108 any less culpable. I agree with DocArzt that these episode synopses are "ruiners" not "spoilers."
Its like the Harry Potter fans who scream out "Snape kills Dumbledore!" Lostfan108 did not do this FOR the fans he did it because he wanted to ruin the experience. I was spoiled beyond Dark's spoiler post just hours after he posted them, and if Lostfan108 really just wanted to let people know who wanted to know, then he would have waited until a day before the finale to release the information. He did it with so much time in advance that there was no way to avoid the information without cutting off the internet altogether. When Dark used to get the full episode synopses from insiderscoop, they always came the day of the episode, so that you didn't have to try very hard to avoid them, just stay away from the computer for a couple hours. This is completely different. I enjoy normal spoilers, I HATE ruiners like lostfan108.
As for the namecalling, andrew sparkles accused Docarzt of being a con-artist who used his own sick child for profit. He deserves every insult in the book for spreading slander like that without any basis in fact.
@andrew sparkes
thanks for telling the whole story, I only knew some bits.
I'm appalled and in the future I will wait for other sources before clicking on the his vids
I hope you all won't believe his sad story of his sick child, please.
People with children who are seriously sick don't spend time on the Internet talking about Lost and discussing over fake major spoilers .
He should be ashamed of telling this, he's a father (if it's true) so I guess he should really grow up.
to HipsterDoofus...
I'm not on any high horse, but I also have definitely seen this clip. I'd imagine it was here, because I don't really frequent any other Lost sites, but it may have been elsewhere. But I DEFINITELZY saw this a day or 2 after The Economist aired. The quality wasn't excellent, but like the others, I HAVE seen it before, whether you choose to believe it or not.
@ maria
This clip is slightly different from the one you've seen previously.
@ hipster doofus
I hear you. I agree that Lostfan108's criticism of the spoilers he provided was a bad move. It was in the back of my mind throughout the finale. "Are they seriously going to show Ben turning a frozen wheel? That would suck..." But the larger part of me knew that the producers would pull it off, and they most certainly did.
I don't necessarily agree that Andrew Sparks - or DocArzt or Lostfan108 - "deserves" to be called any names. Name-calling in general, as far as I'm concerned, is very immature and demonstrative of a lack of acceptance of alternative view-points, regardless of whether they have any sort of foundation. I find that it's more respectable to avoid condemning others for ignorance in favor of merely explaining the circumstances which you feel a person doesn't understand. Maybe that could work for you, but maybe not; I don't know. It's a humble suggestion, really.
I completely agree with your sentiments about "ruiners" and thank God that I wasn't one of the unfortunate people who had Half-Blood Prince ruined for them.
I think I would've lost my shit.
Yup, definitely seen the vid before. I'll try to track it down if possible.
I also feel the need to point out that while you can assume Lostfan108's motives were to ruin the episode for some, that is not a fact. That's your opinion.
Typically, it's spoiler trolls who are to blame for ruining episodes. A heightened awareness of spoiler trolls can drastically reduce the chances of being accidentally spoiled. When it comes down to it, you decide whether or not you want to be spoiled. Regardless of how tempting spoilers may be or how far in advance they are posted, you decide whether or not to read them.
That is assuming a "ruiner" (i.e. troll) doesn't drive by your house and scream "LOCKE IS IN THE COFFIN!"
I visit this site 3-4 times a day. I didn't get spoiled one single time during the whole season. I enjoy the site, and wouldn't ruin the experience of the best show ever.
Do try it. You'll like it.
Robert - Sweden
Typically, people who chose to be spoiled don't consider it "ruining the show", but I'm glad that not reading spoilers enhances the experience for you.
I've been on both sides of the fence, and prefer to be spoiled like crazy.
Maryland 118 49-
I agree with you, and if DocArtz did indeed do what it is said that he did, then I personally applaud him, and tell everyone else to grow up if they have some sort of personal vendetta against him.
Regarding the actual clip as opposed to Internet war BS-- I can't wait to see Miles again next season!
maria- I searched this site for all links to The Economist and the clip was nowhere to be found on the homepage or the spoiler page. I really don't believe it ever existed before now, and if it did, it wasn't here, and if it wasn't here, it wasn't widely known to anybody in the Lost online community, since Dark's site is extremely comprehensive.
Elisabetta - Doc is a journalist to a degree and he has previously posted at ugo.com and buddytv.com, and has gotten interviews with Damon and Carlton multiple times. I can recall one time after he left thetailsection.com that someone posted the reason, that he had to spend more time taking care of his family and prioritizing his time for things that actually make him money, and thetailsection.com was not one of those things. He deleted the post and any reference to it because he specifically did not want to let people know about his personal situation. He never "used" his son for profit. If I remember, the fundraising effort was so that he could visit Hawaii as he was invited by the production of the show to visit and interview, but he could not afford it because of his son's medical condition, (although I don't think he ever said as much) so he was accepting donations as part as a raffle to have your face on a stick near famous Lost locations. He was also offering a service for some sort of personalization of a Lost-esque logo, because he was doing whatever he could to raise enough funds to go to Hawaii. It wasn't for vacation, it was for his job at buddytv.com. Because he couldn't deliver on the head-on-a-stick idea and I think he said something about getting funds from somewhere else (he never specified, if I recall correctly) he refunded all of the donations. Please, if you've ever heard of a scam-artist giving your money back, let me know. He does not deserve 1/100th of the ire that he gets from spoiled (no pun intended) Lost fans.
Grow up people. It's a TV show, and you're in a flame war on a message board about two guys (neither of which is actually partaking in the argument) who run blogs and websites about that TV show. Yes, it's the best thing on TV, but it's still a friggin TV show.
It's
not
a
big
deal!
Can we talk about the clip please?
@hipster doofus
thanks to you too for informing me - I didn't have a clue about who DcArtz was anyway.
I still don't like when ppl get their personal life into their work/activities but that's my opinion.
Btw, I only read stuff on this site of course I look after my blog so I don't know anything about other places.
@emagill
take it easy!
I guess you're the one who's getting a little too stressed about this, if you want to post about the vid, just do it!
Do you want to talk about the clip or do you want to tell us to grow up a few more times?
You'll have to forgive me for not understand what's so terribly childish about discussing the nature of spoilers and those who provide them. It's true that this may not be the proper place to hold such conversations, but your belittling comments add nothing but negativity to the fray.
In regards to the clip, I think Miles is slowly becoming my new favorite character on the show. His reactions to Sawyer's bullying was absolutely hilarious. And the interaction with Rose about the peanuts was also priceless. He's a character who has so much knowledge but is clouded by such a huge fog of mystery; I hope he gets his own episode next season.
The wait is already killing me.
"He never "used" his son for profit. If I remember, the fundraising effort was so that he could visit Hawaii as he was invited by the production of the show to visit and interview, but he could not afford it because of his son's medical condition, (although I don't think he ever said as much) so he was accepting donations as part as a raffle to have your face on a stick near famous Lost locations."
You're wrong, I'm afraid. He used his son as the primary selling point for why people should donate. It was not a fact which just came up afterwards. The selling point of donating was "If you donate for me to go, since I can't afford it because of my son, I'll stick your face on a stick". Think about it - no-one would donate money for their photo on a STICK, but add in the son, and their sympathies are tricked. He could have easily said he couldn't afford it for an unspecified reason, but he didn't - he paraded his family as the reason he couldn't afford it and the reason people should feel sympathy.
There were two real reasons people donated: To get photos, interviews and spoilers on TheTailSection, which never materalised; and because they felt sympathy for DocArzt based on the story he span. I'm not saying he lied, but bringing your family into it is a cry for sympathy, no doubt about it. It isn't professional, end of. Many real journalists have hell at home, too, but you don't see them asking for money from their fans to get a scoop.
"It wasn't for vacation, it was for his job at buddytv.com."
Of course, because he didn't enjoy the trip at all. All he did was interview people non-stop, working his arse off. He then came back and posted his scoops, showing us that all he did was work.
Not. He didn't get any scoops, apparently. He said as he left TheTailSection that while nothing would appear on that site, his work he did in Hawaii would be revealed on BuddyTV during Season 4. Did we see any of that?
Nope. Seems like he just had a regular holiday to me.
"Because he couldn't deliver on the head-on-a-stick idea and I think he said something about getting funds from somewhere else (he never specified, if I recall correctly) he refunded all of the donations."
Wrong again. He had no plans to give back the money. It was only after many complaints that he refunded the money, probably when he was scared he could end up with legal trouble. Up until that point, he made no mention of even thinking of paying anyone back, despite the fact that no interviews, photos nor spoilers had appeared on his site.
This was actually the main fuss.
The fact that he had taken the money and gone on holiday without getting scoops was nothing compared to the fact that he was unprofessional, disloyal and is a man who cannot seem to say sorry.
As I said before, admitting you were wrong is not the same as saying sorry. Admitting you were wrong simply means you cannot deny the facts. Saying sorry means that you understand you upset people and feel bad because of it.
DocArzt, therefore, is sitting there, smug in the knowledge that not a lot of people can tell the difference and think he's legitimately sorry and a changed man. He isn't, based on the last few days.
Let's see the next thing he comes up with next season...
I am sooooo confused, what does this have to do with Miles? I am not trying to upset anyone, but I'd rather hear about other's view on Lost.
Anyone else wonder about the 3.2 million or what Miles purpose on the island is? Why would his employer send him? Frank was needed to fly the helicopter, Charlotte and Dan for different types of research purposes, but Miles....that's what interets me.
Ben said "I think Miles is slowly becoming my new favorite character on the show. His reactions to Sawyer's bullying was absolutely hilarious. And the interaction with Rose about the peanuts was also priceless. He's a character who has so much knowledge but is clouded by such a huge fog of mystery; I hope he gets his own episode next season."
I agree wholeheartedly! I can't wait til next season!
Awesome Deleted Scene... I was almost going to wait for the DVD to come out but hey...
The writers have actually said that they wanted to expand on the stories of the Freighter Folk in Season 4 but due to the time restriction caused by the strike they had to move these stories to Season 5. Im almost positive Miles will have a big episode next year as well as Charlotte who was apparently born on the island... maybe a dharma baby? I also hope we see why they referred to Daniel as such a loon, he didnt seem that nutty to me??
wow, great scene! why on earth was it deleted??? maybe 4.03 was too soon to show miles's powers. i dunno, but it was great anyway!
"maria- I searched this site for all links to The Economist and the clip was nowhere to be found on the homepage or the spoiler page. I really don't believe it ever existed before now, and if it did, it wasn't here, and if it wasn't here, it wasn't widely known to anybody in the Lost online community, since Dark's site is extremely comprehensive.
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I don't know. I'm 100% positive I saw it, and it had to be on a Lost related site. I didn't dig it up anywhere. I assumed it was here, as it's the only Lost site I usually visit, but it could have been somewhere else. All I know is I saw it. And as far as I can remember there was nothing different about this version. If there's a difference it's very minor.
Actually Sparkes, as anyone with an internet connection knows by now, there WERE false endings circulated that depicted someone other than Locke in the coffin. It's basic addition.
As for the personal charges you make, well... you don't know me. With your own credibility already off the table by IGNORING the alternate endings (which is, in fact, where I got the idea that lf108 was wrong), why should anything else you say be looked at as anything other than vitriol.
Look, anybody who thinks that the LF108 was wrong post was fueled by anything other than the false endings that were distributed isn't making contact with reality. If anything, I inadvertently scooped the fact that alternate endings existed.
Maria - I posted screen caps and a full transcript a couple hours after the episode aired. That could be why. A lot of folks seem to think they've seen it. Maybe it is out there somewhere. I know I'm not the only one with preproduction copies, so it is entirely possible.
"As for the personal charges you make, well... you don't know me. With your own credibility already off the table by IGNORING the alternate endings (which is, in fact, where I got the idea that lf108 was wrong), why should anything else you say be looked at as anything other than vitriol.
Look, anybody who thinks that the LF108 was wrong post was fueled by anything other than the false endings that were distributed isn't making contact with reality. If anything, I inadvertently scooped the fact that alternate endings existed."
So there was no valued source who told you that Locke was definitely in the coffin, as you claimed?
You admit that you simply got the idea that Lostfan108 MIGHT be wrong and made a video proclaiming he was definitely wrong?
No false endings were ever 'distributed'. I'm not saying false endings weren't shot, but we had never heard there were multiple edits also. For all we know, the alternate endings weren't ever even taken out of the can until they were shown on that Morning programme thing the other day.
You didn't scoop the fact that alternate endings existed. This was well-known almost as soon as the original spoiler about Locke being in the coffin broke. All your video was? A shambles.
Also, I never once denied there were multiple endings. Simply that you made the video without any certainty about whether Locke was in the coffin or not.
I wasn't saying that you were wrong for saying multiple endings were shot. I was saying you were wrong for saying Locke wasn't in the coffin.
Actually, the alternate shots have nothing to do with the argument: You posted a false video (which you knew was false or at least not verified in the slightest) which you claimed was fact, in order to boost your site. It backfired and that's fair. That's all. The content of the video could have been anything.
"So there was no valued source who told you that Locke was definitely in the coffin, as you claimed?"
No, of course there was. If there wasn't, I wouldn't have made the charge. Which is exactly what I've said from the beginning. I, for one, was not aware of the false endings. If I had been, I wouldn't have posted. The point being, yeah... it's just that easy... that I got solid info on a desmond ending and that info was completely accurate inasmuch as there was a version floating around with Desmond in the casket.
But as so many have said already... why not just let it go? I mean, if there were no alternate endings... AKA hard evidence... I could understand it.
Sparkes, I don't know where you get that they weren't distributed, because I can assure I would not have made that stretch unless someone I absolutely trusted had seen the footage.
But regardless, the post wasn't done for traffic. Spoilers are a mightly small part of my traffic.
I can guarantee you that the SIX sneak peeks I published before anyone else on the web blew that post out of the water.
"You admit that you simply got the idea that Lostfan108 MIGHT be wrong and made a video proclaiming he was definitely wrong?"
Where did I say that? You're reaching. Again, it's basic. I even said in my comments section before the clips were released the next morning that the person I heard would be in the coffin was Desmond:
DocArzt said:
OH! Kiron: Desmond.
May 29, 2008 11:56 PM
So how could I have information from one of the alternate endings if, as you claim, they were kept under wraps? It's reality. I got tipped to the Desmond ending. It's posted and time stamped and there is tons of conversation about it afterwards... and low and behold, the Desmond ending exists.
Sorry, but your insistence that I did this to try to lie to people just doesn't hold up to the facts. I said Desmond in advance of midnight, before anyone knew who or even what the alternate endings were, and Desmond was one of the reveals. There was no guesswork.
Oh, I see what you mean... you're trying to twist my use of inadvertently... clever... when I said that, what I meant was that I had no idea the information I had came from an alternate ending. No one did. This doesn't mean that there was no source. For it to work your way, I would be saying that I accidentally scooped it by guessing right. But where is the logic? I didn't say "oh there are alternate endings." And, who are your sources as to whether there were alternate edits or not? Care to put them against mine?
"Maria - I posted screen caps and a full transcript a couple hours after the episode aired. That could be why. A lot of folks seem to think they've seen it. Maybe it is out there somewhere. I know I'm not the only one with preproduction copies, so it is entirely possible."
No, I saw the video for sure. I distinctly remember the opening shot, and Miles shaking his head and walking through. It's no big deal, I'm just sure I saw it before, as are others. I'm sure people will fight it to the end because someone else may have put it out there before they did, but does it even matter?
As for the ridiculous fighting over this...who gives a shit? It's a TV show. Not to mention we're talking about spoilers, which is even dumber. Anyone who reads the spoilers, or worse, puts them online, is not getting nearly enough enjoyment out of the show. Maybe that's why you're all fighting about it. Who got the scoop, who knew what first....I'm glad I didn't know first. How would I get enjoyment from giving the creators of a show I love headaches over keeping stuff quiet. Not to mention sucking any and all suspense out of watching the story unfold. It's inevitable that some douchebag will visit a spoiler site and then blab it somewhere else without warning. I can't read anyone's comments in unmoderated (or slowly moderated) places for fear of someone blurting out who the O6 are before the first episode of the season even airs. Thank God they only got 5 right, or I wouldn't have enjoyed ANY of the O6 storyline. I'll have to go around thanking the spoiler sites for not knowing about Aaron.
Congratulations to whoever's site has the highest douchebag quota.
I guess, my final word on it is that I put the Desmond prediction right out there before anybody knew who was in the alternate endings or even what the alternate endings were. They did not announce they were alternate coffin scenes. At that time, I was just laying my cards on the table... this is what a good source told me, Desmond. Period. Of course there is more to it, I wouldn't stick my neck out unless I knew the A,B & C, and believe me... if I told you who I got it from, you'd know who they are. Bottom line, at that point I gave information which was correct in the realm of the false endings which were put out to throw off spoiler seekers.
Any further attempts to keep the 'controversy' fall back into the realm of this stupid site vs site, give me give me give me attitude.
Sorry, I just can't oblige being the villain you want me to be. I love the show, I happen to think that what LF108 does is the equivalent of injecting Novocain into the twists, and I thought I'd had info that was solid and proved him wrong. I think it's pretty clear where the info evolved from. To ignore it signals that you simply want to keep the fight going.
Maria -- I'm not fighting it. There were certainly other copies out there, it's very possible somebody posted it. I didn't see it posted personally, and I held off until the end of the season. I do know my transcript was the first out there, but your right... being first hardly matters. But if I get a link, I'll remove the 'exclusive' and credit that source. In the meantime, I'm just trying to decide what I'll release next... maybe that alternate Skate scene... hmmmmm
"I happen to think that what LF108 does is the equivalent of injecting Novocain into the twists"
By saying Locke was in the coffin?
Isn't that exactly the same as saying Desmond is in the coffin?
At least you admit you're a hypocrite.
This clip was definitely posted here two days after the episode, but the actual clip here is slightly longer. The original didn't seem to be of such high quality.
I actually talked about what happened in the video a few months ago on my blog, so I suppose that's proof.
I don't think Miles knows what Midmore's intentions are. He said himself that "I didn't sign up for this." And he seemed genuinely disturbed by what was going on. I really want to know why Abaddon, or whoever is above him, chose those specific 3 people - Daniel, Charlotte and Miles. I understand why he chose Frank (or at least I think I do) - he's a great pilot, but the bizarre thing I nearly forgot about is that he was supposed to be piloting 815 when it crashed. Interesting that the man who was supposed to pilot them TO the island ended up piloting them AWAY from it.
Sparkes, I revealed that my info pointed to Desmond AFTER the show had aired, but before the fake endings were revealed. So no, it isn't the same thing. But that argument (on spoilers) is more personal opinion anyways, and not worth discussing.
Well, proof to me would be a link to the video. Even if it were removed from youtube, the slot would still be there and searchable. There is this:
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2008/02/episode-403-economist-deleted-scene.html
Which is also my information. I think someone also described the scene and pasted my transcript on lost-forum.com At any rate, if anyone actually finds it (which shouldn't be hard if it exists), drop me a line and I'll give creds. Right now, my transcript an hour or so after the episode (with screen grabs) is the first full description I know of, and this is the first full video I know of. Not much sense in anyone arguing differently without a link.
I know you are, but what am I?
Dark has been too quiet on this whole thing. Dark, you should either make a comment and put this to bed or delete the whole thing entirely.
I looked all over but couldn't find anything, so I suppose I may have been mistaken.
Sorry, Doc.
So, could Miles be working with the Others? was 3.2 a code? Did one of the Others turn off the sonic fence so that Miles could go through and give Ben the message?
We've seen whispers precede the Others arrival, could they have told Miles that the fence was off?
I enjoyed this season while it was going, but now think less of it.
This clip illustrates my point perfectly. Miles is a great character and actor (he was amazing on The Soprano's). What a waste of time this show must ave been for him. This was a great scene as are all of the ones with him and the new interlopers. More great characters that go nowhere.
The last couple episodes had nearly no character developement, it was all action. I would like answers (real ones not made up after the facts), but I signed on to this show for the actors and the characters they play. Come on guys, Kate makes absolutley no sense anymore at all. I was as fickle as they come in high school, but Kate as an adult leaves a boy crazy middle schooler in the dust. Who didn't love her in the first season?? Wasteful, lazy, possibly mysogynistic writers.
This show has become very disrespectful to the viewers. I suppose it always has been. I admire them for trying to tie the myriad of loose ends together, but now they have lost sight of their constant, the amazing actors (yes even the pompous Matthew Fox).
On a positive note I think they will find their way back next year. Characters and answers please.
docartz - i'm not interested in the war either way, but what i am intersted in is this alternate/deleted skate scene you mention!!!! lol. :)
@ Isabelle
I agree!