Update: 08:00 GMT Sorry my bad, I forgot to add the online version of the full table. I've now added it to the stats section or you can click here to view it. (DarkUFO)
Introduction
It was quite a dismal week for the Fantasy League. It's quite ironic really. "The Constant" was one of the best and most popular episodes of Lost to date, yet it failed to break even when it came to our scoring rules. The episode officially landed in the red, coming in with a jarring -25 points overall.
What does this mean? Well, it shows that Lost is unpredictable. From a fans perspective, it doesn't really matter how well our teams scored. But for those of us who are involved with the LFL, frustration is right around the corner. Only six League characters were in the episode. Three of those six were from Group 2, so your chances of doing well were pretty limited. Needless to say, the overall points standings probably weren't shaken up too much, though there were 200 contestants that lost the full 35 points possible.
Check all the sections below, because there are some important points rulings and a new episode totals chart in the detailed point section. I want to take this time to inform you all that the Week 6 Fantasy Update will NOT be posted next Monday evening. DarkUFO and I both have plans for the weekend and won't be able to put the post together for Monday night. Look for your Week 6 LFL fix on Wednesday, March 12th.
Hopefully Week 6 will bring us back to the usual amount of points. Until then, leave us a comment and send your questions to LFLquestions@gmail.com.
“The Constant” (in 558 words or less)
While Frank maintains a steady course in the chopper, Desmond decides to jump to the left, step to the right, put his hands on his hips and bring his knees in tight. Just a pelvic thrust shy of going insane, Desmond does the Time Warp again. He wakes up in 1996 to the melodious voice of his drill sergeant shouting as if he were auditioning for a West End production of Full Metal Jacket.
Des and the boys end up doing pushups and crunches in the yard when he checks out of 1996 and into 2004, where he is totally confused and doesn’t know anybody. The freighter folk want to take him to the sick bay but all 1996 Desmond wants to do is call his girlfriend.
In the sick bay, Desmond finds he’s not the only one who flew over the cuckoo’s nest. George Minkowski, the disembodied voice from the satellite phone is given a body at last. Too bad it’s strapped down to a bed and kept sedated as often as possible by the ship’s doctor. Des takes another walk on the wild side and makes his call to Penny. She tells him to stay away. When Penny says to keep her distance, I don’t quite think she meant for Desmond to jump 8 years into the future again, but that’s what happens.
Sayid gets Jack on the phone, who hands the phone off to Daniel. Danny Boy spouts off all kinds of stuff to Desmond and then tells him to try and find him at Oxford in the past and tell him a few settings for his experiment. Great Scot!
Des hits another wrinkle in time and meets up with Faraday and spooks him good when he can tell him about the settings and his rat Eloise. Daniel reveals his crazy contraption and his whiskered assistant. Danny Boy gets his flux capacitor fluxing and cranks the oscillator up to 11 unsticking Eloise in time. Desmond goes back to the future and gets to know a bit more about Minkowski, who says someone trashed the radio equipment a few days ago and that Penny has been trying to call the boat a few times now.
Des comes to in the absent-minded professor’s office. Mrs. Brisby is dead from a brain aneurysm and Desmond is set for the same fate unless he can find his constant- something in the present and future that he cares about (aka Penny). Minkowski leads Des and Sayid to the communications room and promptly drops dead.
In the past, Desmond locates Charles Widmore, who agree to talk to him. Not only does he only talk to Des while urinating, he also leave the faucet running for Des the peon to turn off for him. Des wants Penny’s address and he complies, warning Des that she hates his guts. Des visits Penny and asks for her phone number because he needs it in the future. Freaked out and pissed off as she is, Penny gives it to him.
As his life hangs in the balance, Des makes one last future hop and uses the number to call Penny, who has been waiting eight years for this call. He makes his constant connection, his life is saved and he and Penny share a jarringly beautiful minute or two of phone conversation. Warm fuzzies abound.
1. Desmond does not receive flashback or flashforward points of any kind. The trick is in the nature of what's going on in the episode. Traditional flashback or flashforward structure is set up in such a way that the characters are not living out the experiences of their past or future with knowledge of things to come/past. In other words, Kate in the present does not inhabit herself in the past. She's not aware of future events when we jump to her flashbacks.
In "The Constant," Desmond's consciousness is literally transported across time and space. He is fully aware and alert of both junctures in time, though he is very VERY confused. Thus, we the audience are not watching an isolated portion of his life. We are still watching what he is experiencing, so (in a way) we nver really flash back or forward.
While you could argue that Desmond's past self is having flashforwards, he's really not. He's literally jumping into his own mind 8 years in the future. Because of the odd nature of this time travel construct, Desmond is disqualified from flashback or flashforward points, though he does retain centricity points.
2. Because Desmond doesn't get FB or FF points, no one he encounters in the episode gets points for appearing in either a FB or FF. It's an unfortunate consequence of the bizarre nature of the episode and it held many of you back this week, but we have to make a ruling and stand by all of the fallout resulting from it. Withholding points from League characters is, unfortunately, part of the fallout. It's all in the effort of fairness.
3. There were several issues involving the Numbers this episode:
First, neither Desmond or Sayid got points for the Numbers on the helicopter because we never saw them and the Numbers together in a clear screencapable manner. While we know that they were on the helicopter, our rules state that you must be seen with them or say them. To give them points for the helicopter would have been crediting them on proximity to the Numbers. This would open a HUGE can of worms in which DarkUFO and I would have to evaluate every single instance of the Numbers to see if anyone else was within reasonable proximity to the source of the Numbers.
Secondly, Widmore did not get Numbers points for being in the auction room and bidding on lot #2342 because we never saw him with those Numbers. Again, this is the proximity rule. It is unfortunate, especially since Widmore was cut out from getting points for appearing in any kind of flashback/forward for Desmond.
Thirdly, Penny did not get credit for her address. She lives at 423 and Desmond got points because we saw him on screen with the plaque. Penny, however, was never on screen with the plaque visible,so she did not get Numbers points. Once more, this is our proximity rule coming into play.
4. Desmond didn't lose points for falling in the phone booth or in the bathroom. While we saw the end result of his fall, we didn't see him in the act of falling. Had he cuts himself or had a bruise as a result of his spills, we could have docked him points for it. The only time he lost points for falling was when we saw him falling in the stairwell. He also lost points for the nosebleed.
5. Desmond doesn't get points for discovering Minkowski. Keamy and Omar took him to the sick bay so he was led to where Minkowski lay restrained. It may not have been their intention for them to meet but Desmond was still led there. And technically, Frank took Des and Sayid to the freighter, so technically they wouldn't get points for any discoveries on the freighter because they were taken there.
6. Desmond getting checked out by the doc doesn't count as an eye close-up. Eye close-ups are credited when an episode or scene opens tight on the eyes as we are used to.
As you can see, the overall scoring for the episode was not good! With half of the appearing League characters being from Group 2, the odds were greatly stacked against you. Of course, if your team included four of the six, you weren't hurt too badly. If Desmond was your Group 2 pick and you had the other three characters on your team, then you wound up as one of our Fantasy Geniuses of the Week!Despite many of us performing horribly this week, I think "The Constant" helped to emphasize the unpredictability of the Fantasy League and Lost itself. Just like in sports, sometimes absolutely nothing goes your way. Only, when we say a professional sports team didn't show up for the game, they were at least present! In the LFL, "not showing up for the game" literally meant having everyone on your roster not appear. This happened to 200 contestants, including myself, The Lost Ninja and even Jorge Garcia!
Here are this weeks detailed points:
Group 1-
JACK (+5): Attendance (+5)
BEN (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
KATE (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
LOCKE (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
SAWYER (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Group 2-
DESMOND (+75): Attendance (+5); First On Screen (+15); Episode Centricity (+25); Uses/Encounters the Numbers- 2.342 as a variation of 23 & 42 (+20); Injures Someone- Slams Daniel against the chalkboard (-5); Gets Hurt- Falls over in the stairwell when his consciousness jumps into the future (-10); Gets Hurt- His nosebleed is a result of growing brain trauma (-10); Encounters the Numbers- Stands in front of Penny's address plaque with 423 on it (+20); Last Line in Episode (+5); Last League Character on Screen (+10)
SAYID (+10): Attendance (+5); First Line in Episode (+10); Injures Someone- Throws the doctor up against a cabinet (-5)
JULIET (+5): Attendance (+5)
HURLEY (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
MICHAEL (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Group 3-
CLAIRE (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
JACOB (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
JIN (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
ROUSSEAU (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
SUN (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Group 4-
ALEX (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
BERNARD (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
KARL (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
ROSE (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
WALT (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Group 5-
PENNY (+20): Attendance (+5); First On Screen (+15)
AARON (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
CINDY (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
MARVIN CANDLE (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
RICHARD (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Group 6-
WIDMORE (+5): Attendance (+5)
ETHAN (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
LIBBY (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
MS. HAWKING (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
RACHEL (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
Group 7-
CHRISTIAN (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
KELVIN (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
KEVIN CALISS (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
MR. PAIK (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
NADIA (-5): Absent from Episode (-5)
The highest possible total you could earn this week was 90 points. TO do this, you needed to have Jack, Desmond, Penny and Charles Widmore. Groups 3, 4 and 7 were all Lost Fantasy Losers this week so any characters from those groups lost you points.
A whopping 35 contestants scored Fantasy Genius of the Week honors this week. Here's the list:
.:aLdO aLcÁnTar:.
a clever name
Andruk
anarka_91
biffopolis
biffs
C05TU
charada
chopper
crinnyann
cylune
fedegaray
gershpoker
kiilaa
kristotxurulu
LoccheandNemo
Lost It
marik7772003
MeSlapMeThrowRock
mr.guinness
MrsJamesSawyer
Nequitia
ozmissage
Pargeus
Pargeus
Random Rambles of a Radio guy
Reyloren
Sagantje
sawwad66
sendtherain
staceylea22
uolen
wallytwotone
xscg
zharnocode
Congratulations to all of you! Hopefully next week our Fantasy Geniuses will be back in the triple digits.
I really have no idea what to expect with Week 6's episode. It's called "The Other Woman" and I have two theories:The easy theory is that it will be a Juliet episode. This is a cool prospect, because Juliet has made for some very high quality episodes so far, but it's also a bit of a downer, as it is a bit of an easy episode title to decipher. Juliet is both an Other and a woman. If it is a Juliet episode, I'll be on the edge of my seat the whole time because she's now at the top of my Deathwatch list. The action is ramping up and I fear that a death will bring things to a fever pitch and really launch Lost into a new realm of momentum.
I like Juliet, so I don't want her to die. I think it's possible because she's still one of the newest characters and we know that they typically don't last that long. Also, there's not much more for her to develop into. The freighter folk know she's not from 815, so she's at risk. These are scary times.
My other theory is that it will be a Sun and Jin episode in which we learn that Jin himself was unfaithful. Again, not exactly an upper of an episode, but it's at least reading more into the title than just going with Juliet as the focus.
Or I could be completely wrong on both counts and it'll be someone else's time to shine. We'll just have to wait and see. Just remember that the Week 6 Fantasy Update won't be posted until Wednesday the 12th! If you come on Monday expecting to find the scores, you'll be sorely disappointed.






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43 Comments:
Oh good God! I look like I have a pig snout for a nose! How embarrassing.
:-(
Sorry guys. Lame rulings on the eye close-ups and the flashbacks. Both the eye close-ups and Desmond's jumps aren't all that different in form and structure from the other times we've seen them.
G-man and Dark,
I can't download the full table. Is it my computer? I've been trying several times over the last hour.
Thanks for the update, at least I broke even and didn't lose points.
I had Widmore, Penny, and Desmond (Yay me!) but not Jack.
So, I missed genius by 10 points. *snaps*.
I'll disagree with the above poster with the eye-ruling (it definitely wasn't close enough) but I'll agree with him on the Flashbackiness.
I know that everyone is dying to know.... I finally surpassed my sister this week!!!! **Taking bows** I have her by 64 places! Now, someone, make me feel important and congratulate me! Anyone...
I really have to disagree with 2 of your rulings.
While Desmond is aware in both his present time and flashback appearences, this was never out-lined as a qualification in order to be counted as a flashback. The simple fact that we see what happen to Desmond in the past should count these experiences as flashbacks. Again I don't remember the rule stating that the "flashbacker or fowarder" could not be aware of their flash.
Ruling number 2 I disagree with is the eye shots. Never in the rules did it state that eye shots had to be at the beginning of an episode. Clearly eyes are an important part of LOST, pointing toward perspective. I believe if the directer of the episode is bored with opening with these eye shots and decided to sneak them in elsewhere, these shots should count equally.
OK you guessed it I have Des, but I would feel this way regardless of my picks. Since I do have him, that is why I post.
Love the site and the fantasy league! Please reconsider your rulings!
Thanks for reading!
I can't download the table either.
I tough it would be consider as a flashback, but your explanation is more logic I must say. How funny that Penny don't have points and it's her adress and Widmore wrote down the adress but we never see him with the numbers.
But, the rules are the rules!
Still waiting for Michael to show up before I'm at -100 because of him. :P
A little action for Locke and Sun would be good too, I mean Claire as more points than Sun...
Oh and CONGRATS to mirrorandsmoke for putting your sister in her place. =)
WAHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Thanks so much! You made my day! As I am sure this is one of the more riveting competitions going on in the entire LFL I will continue to keep you updated!
BTW, congratulations mirrorsandsmoke! :P
I totally understand you, my sister is completely dominating me while I beat her badly in the Hiatus Fantasy League!
Damn Aaron who got too much points and Michael who he's still hiding in the bushes!
"cranks the oscillator up to 11"...
Are the writers paying homage to the movie "This Is Spinal Tap"?
What, no Google Spreadsheet?
Personally, I am a little shaky on the ruling for Desmond getting hurt when he fell on the stairs, I looked at Hurley's episode (episode 1) and I noticed you didn't count the part where he tripped and fell over as an injury, I'm just wondering why Desmond's fall does, it's not like he did it on purpose or got attacked by another character. I may be a little biased (as you can tell from my name) but I just find that injury a little shady.
As well you say Hurley's accident doesn't count as an injury because he wasn't hurt by it, but was Desmond hurt by his falling in the stairwell, I didn't see any injury, but I may be wrong.
I agree with lost_pilgrim about the flashback/flashforward thing, I don't remember any specific rule about that, but I might be wrong again
No online spreadsheet this week G-Man? Please put it up!!
New haircut!
I knew you guys were going to have a tough time scoring this one, and I knew that people would be upset either way. I'll just chime in and say that I thought your rulings were fair.
Alright, so I am okay with the ruling on the eye closeup because it is understood that these have to occur at the beginning of the episode, even though that has never been specified.
However, I must strongly disagree with your interpretation of the flashes. There was no rules specifications on how the flashes must be presented to us in order for them to count. I understand that this is because no one could have planned for an episode like The Constant, but I still think that it is a little unfair to those who have Desmond.
I also think that Desmond and Penny should get Numbers points for Penny's phone # - it contains the numbers 4 and 8, fulfilling the qualifications of having at least two of the numbers that are not in some preexisting combination.
But sorry to be complaining! I know you guys are doing your best!
I can't download the full table this time either
Sorry everyone, I somehow forgot to upload the online version of the spreadsheet.
I've updated the post to include links to it.
My Bad!
Cheers dark! :)
Lame decision. Sorry but this is not fair at all. Widmore was appearing in a flash!
I must simply say Desmond has a flashback. No matter if he's aware or not, we see his past. Even more, Penny and Mr. widmore is there and there's no difference for her if Des is aware of the flashback itself or not, so I think this should count as a flashback.
I must add that if I had known from the start this rule was going to work this way I certainly would not have picked up Desmond, for I'm sure we'll be getting more flashes of this kind.
It's like if we had a league on season 3 and you decided not to count Jack's FF just because is a kind of flash we hadn't seen so far.
Yeah, i scored 55, i had des & widmore.. sad that they didn't get the flashbackflashforard points... now in ~1600. : )
Maybe from next season you'll count time traveling as time-warp and chars get points for that.
:)
yeah i have to agree with the argument about the flashback points. seems unfair.
but thanks for everything you are doing
Boo! Hiss! Idiotic ruling! Des definitely had a flashback with both Penny and Widmore appearing.You should SERIOUSLY rethink this one.
The flash ruling is idiotic. What's the point of this game? To try and predict which characters have the biggest impact on the direction of the season, or to award points along a narrowly defined set of circumstances? Widmore and Penny were clearly shown in the past, regardless of what is going on with Desmond at the time.
The flash ruling is idiotic.
Well Travis, we are standing by the initial ruling. If you still feel that passionate about it and are upset to the point of name calling, shoot us an email and we can remove you from the competition since you don't seem to be having fun with it anymore.
i scored............. (0) :s
Just one question... Widmore dont get extra points for finding something new? (the Black Rock book thing)
Oh, and one more thing... I AM ONE OF THE GENIOUS OF THE WEEK!!!! YIJAAA!!!!
An extra 20 points could be coming our way desmond pickers. cos i noticed something that was overlooked.
Why have desmond and sayid not gained points for discovering a new place (the freighter)?
I'm in the Top 250! That's quite a feat for me as last week I languished at #456. No complaints here. ;)
"Why have desmond and sayid not gained points for discovering a new place (the freighter)?"
because they were taken there. doesn't count then
Yep, Chillindude got it spot on. You have to actually discover something rather than being led/taken there.
Congrats JackMyKate, lets hope you do well this week as well.
Widmore clearly gets points for using the #s since he wrote down Penny's address and hands it to Desmond. Can't use the #s much more than by writing them down. Obviously Penny living at an address that uses the #s means she should probably get the points, but that's another issue entirely.
G-man: what name-calling? I said the ruling was idiotic -- that's not the same as calling you an idiot.
Woohoo! desmond pickers get an extra 20 points!.
Gman will explain next week
Woot!!!! I'm a genious this week!!! Won't happen again so I'll enjoy it while it lasts.
Wow I moved up significantly this week. Can always count on Desmond episode :)
I normally don't complain dark and g-man but I also disagree about the flashback points. To me this should qualify for flashback points, as what we were seeing was a flashback to the past.
I know this wasn't your ordinary flashback, but as I said it was a flashback to the past.
That being said, I respect the judges ruling, if it stands.
No more complaining as I have moved up in the ranks and the efforts you both have put forward are much appreciated!
Can't wait for next weeks update :)
Well guys I guess I understand your feelings but I disagree with it. Yes it isn't a FB or FF in sense but it probably should be worth it or have some sort of points put towards it consider this for future seasons if you do the LFL. Difiently kills anyone who had the Desmond, Penny, Widmore combination and where expecting big points. My guess is my fantasy team is probably shot now because I was expecting a huge boost from this episode but due to these ruilings I guess not. I do not expect to see much of Penny or Widmore now until next season or real late in this season I guess.
O well no hard feelings just frustration is all that it appears my team has gone up in smoke!!!
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